And if this said "Police call for remote button to stop guns"?

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http://observer.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,6903,1111211,00.html

Police call for remote button to stop cars

Motorists face new 'Big Brother' technology

Juliette Jowit, transport editor
Sunday December 21, 2003
The Observer

After speed cameras, road humps and mobile phone bans, there could be more bad news for Britain's motorists. Police are urging Ministers to give them the power to stop vehicles by remote control.
In what will be seen as yet another example of the in-creasing power of Big Brother, drivers face the prospect of their cars being halted by somebody pushing a button.

The police lobby is being led by Superintendent Jim Hammond of Sussex police, who chairs an Association of Chief Police Officers technology working group which is examining the idea.

'Providing an effective means to remotely stop a vehicle is fast becoming a priority,' Hammond told a European conference. 'The development of a safe and controlled system to enable remote stopping has the potential to directly save lives.'

However, Bert Morris, deputy director of the AA Motoring Trust said: 'People don't like the idea of Big Brother taking over their driving. In years to come that might be acceptable, but it's very, very important that there's a step-by-step approach.'

Cars could be stopped by the gradual reduction of engine power so it slowly comes to a stop, or by making sure when drivers come to a halt they can not move again.

Stopping cars remotely sounds futuristic, but the basic technology is already available and used in lorries to limit the top speed to 56mph and in new systems to immobilise stolen cars.

The key is the electronics box in most new cars which, when the driver presses the accelerator or brake, sends a message to the engine to speed up or slow down. It can be programmed to limit the speed generally or according to the position of the car, established via a GPS satellite. For remote operation, a modem, which works like a mobile phone, can be used tell the car to slow down or stop.

Similar radio telemetry was used by Formula One pit crews to adjust the engines of racing cars at up to 200mph - until it was banned this year.

'The technology exists and will become more refined as time goes on,' said Nick Rendell, managing director of the Siemens business developing this technology in the UK.

A senior police officer - assumed to be the chief constable or deputy - can already give the order to stop a car remotely, but that power has rarely if ever been used, said Morris. To use any new powers more widely, police must first overcome some practical problems to reassure Ministers that vehicles would be stopped safety. Ministers will also want reassurances that drivers would not be mistakenly stopped.

ACPO insists that it would only introduce the technology when it was safe. It is calling on the Government to introduce the legislation which it says will be vital to stop vehicles when - as expected - manufacturers develop tyres that run when they are flat. This will make 'stingers' - the spiked strips thrown in front of speeding cars - useless to stop stolen and get-away cars or dangerous drivers.

It is also linked to pressure to make cars 'pointless to steal' because of growing concern about more violent car crime as vehicles become harder to take. The RAC Foundation recently found there were as many as 1,200 car jackings in Britain last year.

Another link is to technology which would stop cars going above certain speed limits - either a fixed maximum such as 70mph, or varying according to the local limit.

The system could even be programmed to reduce speeds below the limit in bad weather or when school children were expected to be about, said Robert Gifford, director of the Parliamentary Advisory Committee on Transport Safety, which believes the technology could cut the 3,420 deaths a year on Britain's roads by 59 per cent.

Experts now believe the technology could start to be used voluntarily by the end of the decade and ultimately could be made mandatory.
 
It's a good thing I don't mind driving and working on older cars.

It's kind of tough to put control tech in a 72 VW Beetle. :neener:

Chris
 
"People don't like the idea of Big Brother taking over their driving. In years to come that might be acceptable, but it's very, very important that there's a step-by-step approach."


" It is also linked to pressure to make cars 'pointless to steal' because of growing concern about more violent car crime as vehicles become harder to take."

WHAT THE ?????!?!?

Man I am glad we already revolted. Holey hell...
 
Ultimately they'll go the whole 9 yards and insist that each baby be cranially implanted with a neuro-immobilizer chip that brings all higher cognitive functions to a slow, safe halt.

The safety of this device already having been demonstrated personally by Superintendent Hammond who apparently functions normally with the chip in continuous operation.
 
This is small taters.

In ten years the Brits will all have chips in their brains that the police can switch off remotely if you get too frisky. Voila!--instant temporary lobotomy. Come to think of it, we'll probably have that here too...

A chip-implanted society is a polite society.
 
I wonder when some bright electronic type will come up with a counterfiet device. Some areas currently employ devices in traffic signals so that emergency vehichles can change the lights in their favor. A great idea except thet some NON emergency vehichles are using them with rather bad effect to the programmed traffic paterns. Imagine the fun you could have shutting down the major throughways in your area at the peak of rush hour? This gets outragously humorus when the tables get turned and the police find their cars being shut down durring a high speed pursuit.
 
Rarely does a day pass when I fail to feel grateful to our forefathers for having rebelled against the English and founded a republic.

I believe the English would have been happier as a Nazi subject people, and we certainly could have saved a great many American lives.
 
'People don't like the idea of Big Brother taking over their driving. In years to come that might be acceptable, but it's very, very important that there's a step-by-step approach.'

This statement is a perfect example of the tactics used by those who would take away our liberties. They know they can't take them all at once, so they nibble away at them bit by bit until they are gone. :fire:
 
'People don't like the idea of Big Brother taking over their driving. In years to come that might be acceptable, but it's very, very important that there's a step-by-step approach.'
Incrementalism at its best. The odd thing is that they actually admit that this is what they are up to. Are they now so confident of public complacency that they don't even have to conceal their goals and methods anymore?

In America, this is what is referred to as a "good first step" -- over, and over, and over -- but the goal is the same. Maybe Brits are just more intrinsically honest than American rights grabbers.
 
jimpeel
Incrementalism at its best. The odd thing is that they actually admit that this is what they are up to. Are they now so confident of public complacency that they don't even have to conceal their goals and methods anymore?
Doesn't it sound an awful lot like the Dem Party here stating how they need to stop talking about "Gun Control", and start talking about "Gun Safety"?
 
Sergeant Bob

Doesn't it sound an awful lot like the Dem Party here stating how they need to stop talking about "Gun Control", and start talking about "Gun Safety"?
Actually that would qualify as "newspeak" in the finest tradition of Orwell's "1984".

Full text of the novel "1984" may be found HERE with a discussion on the principles of "newspeak" HERE.
 
jimpeel thanks for the linkage to the "1984" text. I've been thinking about reading it again, and that will save me having to dig through several boxes and a thousand some books to find it!
Agreed on the Newspeak. It just floors me how the Dems will openly discuss what they need to say to the masses to get them to buy their BS. Then the Proles, knowing what is happening, buy it because they told them what they wanted to hear .
 
And then someone will build or steal a remote control and wreck havok on folks' vehicles. Or maybe they'll use the remote control to commit hard to detect murders and carjackings.

Nope, this isn't going to happen and if it did, it wouldn't be around for long.
 
Note to self: more guns, more old cars.

They all ready have strips that they can set up in advance that shocks your car and immobilizes the computer. I would like to see them try that with a 74 Coronet.

*ZAP*

MotherF***ers!!! They just fried my radio in my all steel ramming machine!


Yep, that'll work. Get'em pi$$ed off instead of stopping them.
 
"Clive, hit the remote and stop that Mini in front of the lorry." SPLAT! "Oops! Hard cheese old boy.":evil:
 
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