Zundfolge
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somebody down in Tejas buy ole DVNovum a cerveza for me 
Only thing I can see you did wrong was leave out the paragraph breaks
Only thing I can see you did wrong was leave out the paragraph breaks
and the obligatory range idiot story
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Mark Benningfield
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Hello All.
The worst one I had was a few weeks ago at the range in town (OKC). The kids and I were turning a fair amount of my money into noise and smoke when this kid (20-something) came in with a half-dozen of his buddies (newbies) to shoot his pre-ban AR-15. Cool gun, BTW. Anyhow, my oldest was shooting his new .30-30 and I was standing behind him when I glanced over and saw one of this guy's buddies in the lane next to us sweeping us with the muzzle. My first instinct was to draw and fire since he had a gun pointed at my son, but I leaned over and grabbed the muzzle and forced it downrange and yelled "muzzle!!" in the guy's face, while keeping my strong hand on my P97DC ready to draw. Well, he looked at me like I had two heads or something and his buddy (the gun owner) jumped up and said "Sorry, we'll be more careful," which I figured was a decent response. So, I figured I'd be nice and give them a heads-up about it, and said "If you point that gun at me or my kids again, I WILL shoot you." By this time one of the guys that works at the range had arrived behind me and said, "And if he doesn't, I will." Unfortunately, I think the newbies enthusiasm was somewhat diminished after that.
The worst one I had was a few weeks ago at the range in town (OKC). The kids and I were turning a fair amount of my money into noise and smoke when this kid (20-something) came in with a half-dozen of his buddies (newbies) to shoot his pre-ban AR-15. Cool gun, BTW. Anyhow, my oldest was shooting his new .30-30 and I was standing behind him when I glanced over and saw one of this guy's buddies in the lane next to us sweeping us with the muzzle. My first instinct was to draw and fire since he had a gun pointed at my son, but I leaned over and grabbed the muzzle and forced it downrange and yelled "muzzle!!" in the guy's face, while keeping my strong hand on my P97DC ready to draw. Well, he looked at me like I had two heads or something and his buddy (the gun owner) jumped up and said "Sorry, we'll be more careful," which I figured was a decent response. So, I figured I'd be nice and give them a heads-up about it, and said "If you point that gun at me or my kids again, I WILL shoot you." By this time one of the guys that works at the range had arrived behind me and said, "And if he doesn't, I will." Unfortunately, I think the newbies enthusiasm was somewhat diminished after that.
jmbg29
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Things I learned a long time ago:
1) Avoid shooting at anything other than a private range.
2) Become an officer of the private club ASAP, to make sure that it stays on the straight and narrow.
3) Make it plain to people that covering me with their muzzle more than once will get them shot. Although I like this variation a lot!
Note to self: Do not mess with Tejas or El Gordo Loco! Or Tamara for that matter.
1) Avoid shooting at anything other than a private range.
2) Become an officer of the private club ASAP, to make sure that it stays on the straight and narrow.
3) Make it plain to people that covering me with their muzzle more than once will get them shot. Although I like this variation a lot!
Note to self: Do not mess with Tejas or El Gordo Loco! Or Tamara for that matter.
Keith
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>>>>"If you point that gun at me or my kids again, I WILL shoot you." .... Unfortunately, I think the newbies enthusiasm was somewhat diminished after that.<<<<
Hey, most everyone needs a rude awakening at some point when it comes to safe gun handling. Some of us do it to ourselves with an A/D that smartens us up. Others get a shake down by a stranger who resents a gun being pointed at them.
Not everyone has a dad to teach them right from the git-go.
You probably did that kid a big favor. He'll remember that lesson and be a better person for it.
Keith
Hey, most everyone needs a rude awakening at some point when it comes to safe gun handling. Some of us do it to ourselves with an A/D that smartens us up. Others get a shake down by a stranger who resents a gun being pointed at them.
Not everyone has a dad to teach them right from the git-go.
You probably did that kid a big favor. He'll remember that lesson and be a better person for it.
Keith
Duke of Lawnchair
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Scary...
I've seen one too many people that should know better point the business end of their firearms at someone else or myself.
There can ABSOLUTELY be NO bad day at the range. Even if you do poorly and come home safe whether you're shooting by yourself or a party then it was a good day. If NO ONE leaves the range in a body bag or ambulance, then it's a good day, regardless of performance. Safety is key and so many people that should know better cannot get that through their skulls.
I've seen one too many people that should know better point the business end of their firearms at someone else or myself.
There can ABSOLUTELY be NO bad day at the range. Even if you do poorly and come home safe whether you're shooting by yourself or a party then it was a good day. If NO ONE leaves the range in a body bag or ambulance, then it's a good day, regardless of performance. Safety is key and so many people that should know better cannot get that through their skulls.
illuminatus99
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the closest I've ever come to getting in trouble at the range was when I set my pistol down facing out toward the shop. I had just taken the mag out and the round out of the chamber, normally I leave the slide open but for some reason this time I didn't. I looked up to see the range officer jumping up and down pointing at my gun that was laying there pointed roughly at his crotch, I promptly picked it up and locked the slide back before I set it back down facing the wall.
I feel sorry for anyone who sweeps my wife at the range, she's a native girl with a temper and has no patience for stupid people. she'd probably rip the gun out of their hands and beat them until they squeak.
I feel sorry for anyone who sweeps my wife at the range, she's a native girl with a temper and has no patience for stupid people. she'd probably rip the gun out of their hands and beat them until they squeak.
MarineTech
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I've never had anybody sweep me with a muzzle at the range (at least not that I know of). I'm a member of a private Rod and Gun, and we screen our members pretty closely. Did have a kid do it at a gun shop where I'm a regular. Owner had let him see a used Glock with one of those lasers in the guide rod. Kid (early 20s) started off fairly responsibly, and the owner moved down a bit to help somebody else for a minute. I was over by the front door near the reloading stuff chatting with some of the other regulars when I see a little red dot dancing all over us. I look over, and there's junior painting everybody with the laser. I stomped over to the kid, yanked the gun out of his hands and said, "YOU'RE DONE! You ever point a gun a me or anybody else in here again, and I'll shoot you myself." Had my vest pulled aside and my hand on my Kimber. A few of the other regulars were also echoing my sentiments. Paul the owner came back over pretty quickly and told the kid to get out, and not come back.
Some people may consider that over-reacting, but I didn't make it through Desert Storm and Somalia as a Marine to get shot by some idiot kid in a gun store.
Some people may consider that over-reacting, but I didn't make it through Desert Storm and Somalia as a Marine to get shot by some idiot kid in a gun store.
The two ranges I frequent have LOUD speakers (Voice of God loud) that give shooters a clear message if range rules are violated. A second violation earns a personnal visit and a final warning.
Unfortunately, this additional danger comes with bringing more newbies into the fold. Many of these new shooters don't have a father or uncle (Mother or Aunt sorry...EO) to teach them proper gun handling. This is one reason why I am baffled by "pro-gun" advocates that fight manditory training tooth and nail.
Unfortunately, this additional danger comes with bringing more newbies into the fold. Many of these new shooters don't have a father or uncle (Mother or Aunt sorry...EO) to teach them proper gun handling. This is one reason why I am baffled by "pro-gun" advocates that fight manditory training tooth and nail.
Some of the range idiots are simply amazing.
To join the firing range club that I belong to, you go thru a very thorough orientation about the four rules and other range rules.
Plus, you have to get a referral from a present member.
Even with that, during my first range session, I looked over at a guy who was handling a rifle during a cease-fire. My buddy immediately stepped over and calmly stated that the guy was breaking range rules. To my astonisment, the guy argued that the "gun was not loaded".
Oh brother
To join the firing range club that I belong to, you go thru a very thorough orientation about the four rules and other range rules.
Plus, you have to get a referral from a present member.
Even with that, during my first range session, I looked over at a guy who was handling a rifle during a cease-fire. My buddy immediately stepped over and calmly stated that the guy was breaking range rules. To my astonisment, the guy argued that the "gun was not loaded".
Oh brother
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Art Eatman
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Atticus, all this squalling and whining against teaching kids about guns is why I've always said that the scariest thing in deer camp is a 23-year-old with his first rifle on his first hunt.
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Ron L
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I was at an indoor range outside of Atlanta once when someone was getting a little careless. I'd just arrived, but it was obviously not his first infraction. One of the other shooters took the gun from him, dropped the mag and opened the slide and put it on the table and told the guy that the next time that muzzle comes anywhere close to his direction, he was going to take it as a threat on his life and react accordingly.
Ryder
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My little gun club has a rule against aiming a firearm skyward (loaded or otherwise), above the berms. It's very easy to recognize how excluding one of most common safe places which people point while handling could contribute to a lot of the problems mentioned here by everyone.
I learned "raised pistols" as the position to assume during a cease fire call. My guns are generally pointed up when I am not shooting. I do also point them at the ground but not generally when others are around me. It's not a good thing. One turn to the side and you risk pointing at someone's legs. There is also potential for a richocette off the ground if there was a discharge.
The odds of an unintentional discharge are low, the odds of that unintentional discharge falling onto anyone and causing injury )especially out in the woods where my club is) is even lower. Put the two together and compare those odds to the dangers of pointing downward when other people are standing around. Doesn't make much sense to limit the number of safe options a person has.
You can't regulate intelligence. Stupid people will just ignore the regulations.
I learned "raised pistols" as the position to assume during a cease fire call. My guns are generally pointed up when I am not shooting. I do also point them at the ground but not generally when others are around me. It's not a good thing. One turn to the side and you risk pointing at someone's legs. There is also potential for a richocette off the ground if there was a discharge.
The odds of an unintentional discharge are low, the odds of that unintentional discharge falling onto anyone and causing injury )especially out in the woods where my club is) is even lower. Put the two together and compare those odds to the dangers of pointing downward when other people are standing around. Doesn't make much sense to limit the number of safe options a person has.
You can't regulate intelligence. Stupid people will just ignore the regulations.
Actually, you can regulate intelligence, just keep the demonstably stupid people off the range
It really comes down to etiquette and how some folks never learned any form of etiquette, let alone range etiquette and general firearm safety ... that or they just don't care. I can't recall ever having been swept by a firearm at the range, but that doesn't mean it hasn't happened. The indoor range I use has plastic partitions betwen the shooting positions so you can't see the guy next to you.
The R&GC I belong to has hard rules on firearms etiquette. The honor sytem doesn't apply, RO's are strict and attentive. I think they see it as their duty to educate people, expereienced and newbie alike in shooting safety and range etiquette. By applying the range rules consistenty, no one has any doubt what the rules are, so they are rarely broken.
They've never had a high-power "accident" on the range. Nobody has any doubts regarding the lethality of a 30-06, .308 or even .223. They did have a small-bore accident -- seems some folks don't respect the .22LR all that much. Guy was shot in the chest by his best friend while BS'ing. He lived -- bullet just slid along his ribs and he was home from the hospital that night. Small-bore guys got a cheap wake-up call.
Zundfolge
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I'm often amazed how many gun owners don't know the 4 rules .. even people who work around guns for a living.
I am guilty of covering the guy behind the counter at a gun shop once. I stopped in to pick up my Steyr M40 (bought it on Gunbroker and he was handling the FFL transfer) and when I pulled the gun out of the case I covered the guy behind the counter for about a second and a half.
Once I realized it I said "Oops ... sorry about that". The guy behind the counter looked at me like he didn't know why I was apologizing and then realized what it was and said "Oh, don't worry, its not loaded."
I responded with "well, the most dangerous thing in the world is an 'unloaded' gun."
He just shrugged and walked off to help another customer.
While I'm glad I didn't get a nasty lecture, I might have felt better if I knew that everytime someone covered this guy they would get a reminder of the 4 rules.
I am guilty of covering the guy behind the counter at a gun shop once. I stopped in to pick up my Steyr M40 (bought it on Gunbroker and he was handling the FFL transfer) and when I pulled the gun out of the case I covered the guy behind the counter for about a second and a half.
Once I realized it I said "Oops ... sorry about that". The guy behind the counter looked at me like he didn't know why I was apologizing and then realized what it was and said "Oh, don't worry, its not loaded."
I responded with "well, the most dangerous thing in the world is an 'unloaded' gun."
He just shrugged and walked off to help another customer.
While I'm glad I didn't get a nasty lecture, I might have felt better if I knew that everytime someone covered this guy they would get a reminder of the 4 rules.
Rebel Gunman HK
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I see dumb people..... they're everywhere!!!!!
45R
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Was at Target Masters in Stockton one with with my girlfriend, when a few chumps (2 couples of dates 18-21 years of age) came in with their guns trying to impress the girls they were with. Gave them a .22 Ruger and told them to fire away. The girl shooting swept us with the muzzle more then 3 times, while her finger was on the trigger laughing and giggling. A few times the muzzle swept her friends head. I asked one of the guys nicely to educate his girl on gun safetly. Got the fudge off buddy glare, and he said it was his buddys date and I should tell him. Turned away from me and continued to shoot is gun. 
I was a little miffed by this guys stupidity. Reported the moron to the RO and left.
Frequenting the range more then once a week, there are morons everywere. This groups is on its way to winning a darwin award.
I was a little miffed by this guys stupidity. Reported the moron to the RO and left. Frequenting the range more then once a week, there are morons everywere. This groups is on its way to winning a darwin award.
Brad Johnson
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A long time ago
When I was a teenager (many, many moons ago!) I remember my Dad laughing so hard he was crying because some moron shot himself in the foot while performing a little tirade of righteous indignation.
Some of Dad's friends had come out to shoot, and and one of them brought an out-of town friend. Although the intervening years have dulled the details a bit, the "Reader's Digest" version is that this City Slicker thought he was A-Number-One with a lever gun and was making life miserable for everyone else by just being an obnoxious, unsafe loudmouth. If memory serves, he kept resting the muzzle of a the loaded and cocked .30-30 on the top of his fancy boot to "keep it out of the dirt". When someone finally pointed out that it might be better to clear the gun and just lay it on the shooting table, the guy got loud and blustery. After saying something to the effect of "I've been shooting for ___ years and never had an accident before," he grabbed for the gun to take his turn at the shooting bench.
Now remember, the gun was it was a LOADED and COCKED...
I guess when he grabbed for the gun he did the "stupid gun owner" trick of putting his finger on the trigger before he was ready to fire. The gun discharged and put a nice .30 caliber hole through his boot (which just happened to still have his foot inside).
Everything got a little hectic after that, but I can clearly remember this high-falutin' hombre screaming like a little girl as they loaded him in the back of a pickup to take him to the hospital. This guy was lucky - Had the injury been life-threatening he would've been in serious doo-doo. To reach Vernon (the closest emergency room) you had to travel 10 miles of bumpy ranch road and an additional 45 miles of poorly-patched 2-lane West Texas blacktop. Every time the pickup hit a bump, and there were a lot of them, this dude would let out a holler. Dad and his friends had put up the guns and broken out the beer by this time, and I can remember them lifting lifting their cans in salute and laughing themselves to tears each time they heard a yell fading in the distance.
That guy never did come shooting with us again. I wonder why?
Brad
When I was a teenager (many, many moons ago!) I remember my Dad laughing so hard he was crying because some moron shot himself in the foot while performing a little tirade of righteous indignation.
Some of Dad's friends had come out to shoot, and and one of them brought an out-of town friend. Although the intervening years have dulled the details a bit, the "Reader's Digest" version is that this City Slicker thought he was A-Number-One with a lever gun and was making life miserable for everyone else by just being an obnoxious, unsafe loudmouth. If memory serves, he kept resting the muzzle of a the loaded and cocked .30-30 on the top of his fancy boot to "keep it out of the dirt". When someone finally pointed out that it might be better to clear the gun and just lay it on the shooting table, the guy got loud and blustery. After saying something to the effect of "I've been shooting for ___ years and never had an accident before," he grabbed for the gun to take his turn at the shooting bench.
Now remember, the gun was it was a LOADED and COCKED...
I guess when he grabbed for the gun he did the "stupid gun owner" trick of putting his finger on the trigger before he was ready to fire. The gun discharged and put a nice .30 caliber hole through his boot (which just happened to still have his foot inside).
Everything got a little hectic after that, but I can clearly remember this high-falutin' hombre screaming like a little girl as they loaded him in the back of a pickup to take him to the hospital. This guy was lucky - Had the injury been life-threatening he would've been in serious doo-doo. To reach Vernon (the closest emergency room) you had to travel 10 miles of bumpy ranch road and an additional 45 miles of poorly-patched 2-lane West Texas blacktop. Every time the pickup hit a bump, and there were a lot of them, this dude would let out a holler. Dad and his friends had put up the guns and broken out the beer by this time, and I can remember them lifting lifting their cans in salute and laughing themselves to tears each time they heard a yell fading in the distance.
That guy never did come shooting with us again. I wonder why?
Brad
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