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If you saw the video on ABC last night you would be sickened.

They wonder why they are so universally detested:

FORT LAUDERDALE, Florida (AP) -- A high-ranking sheriff's officer apologized Wednesday for insensitive comments he and other officers made about demonstrators after a free-trade summit in 2003 in Miami.

The comments wound up in a police-training video produced a day later. The video shows Maj. John Brooks and other officers praising each other for shooting protesters with rubber bullets.

"Looking back at the tape, in hindsight, I shouldn't have said those things," Brooks said in a report published Wednesday night on The Miami Herald's Web site. (Watch the video in which he's shown mocking a woman who was shot -- 2:30)

Broward County Sheriff's officials said no one would face disciplinary action in connection with the training video.

A civilian investigative panel last week concluded that police indiscriminately used stun guns, tear gas and other weapons and unlawfully arrested and searched protesters during massive demonstrations at the 2003 Free Trade Area of the Americas meeting.

One protester, Elizabeth Ritter, contends she was unjustifiably shot with rubber bullets while she stood in front of riot gear-clad police. A video recorded the day of the protests shows Ritter cowering under a sign while being pelted with bullets. One bullet pierced the sign and struck her in the head.

The training tape shows officers joking about the shots fired at Ritter.

Brooks joined the sheriff's office in 2000, less than a month after quitting his job as a Miami police assistant chief amid an uproar over his ride-along with federal agents during the armed raid to seize Elian Gonzalez. Elected officials had warned they did not want Miami police involved
 
(shakes head)

You are 100% right.

This is how things like Srebrenica happen.

Hopefully what rights we have left protected by the 2A would help prevent a Srebenica from happening here . . . .:uhoh:

More details:

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiheral...98.htm?template=contentModules/printstory.jsp

Attorney incensed after viewing FTAA police video
A police training video showed high-ranking Broward deputies laughing about shooting rubber bullets at a Coral Gables attorney at the free- trade summit in Miami.
BY ASHLEY FANTZ
[email protected]

As a middle-aged Coral Gables attorney, dressed sharply in a red suit jacket, skirt and black slingback heels, Elizabeth Ritter stood out among the throng of protesters on Nov. 20, 2003.

Frustrated that she couldn't do business because the Miami-Dade County Courthouse was shut down that week during the Free Trade Area of the Americas summit, she hastily made a sign that read ''Fear Totalitarianism'' and decided to stand with the protesters.

The sign, however, became her shield against a barrage of rubber bullets fired at her by a legion of Broward Sheriff's deputies in riot gear. And, in an image captured by a videographer, she is shot in the head as she cowers in the street.

And now another video, recently released, raises questions about the degree to which police, specifically, Broward Sheriff's deputies, were encouraged, -- and even praised -- for using force against Ritter and other protesters.

In the video -- recorded by BSO on Nov. 21, the day after the event -- a BSO top commander gushes over shooting protesters. Another officer refers to them as ``scurrying cockroaches.''

And when it comes to ''the lady in the red dress,'' said a sergeant, referring to Ritter, eliciting hoots and laughter, ``I don't know who got her, but it went right through the sign and hit her smack dab in the middle of the head!''

Viewing the video for the first time last month, Ritter was incensed. Until now, she had no plans to sue, even though a long list of people -- labor union workers, a filmmaker, protesters and a local reporter -- filed complaints and lawsuits alleging the agencies in charge of crowd control -- Miami Police, Miami-Dade Police and BSO -- used excessive force and made false arrests.

MINOR OFFENSES

About 220 people were arrested, the majority for minor offenses such as obstructing sidewalks, according to the Miami-Dade state attorney's office. Charges have been dropped in nearly half of those cases. So far, 57 people have been convicted, according to spokesman Edward Griffith.

The Miami Civilian Investigative Panel, a voter-created board that vets complaints against the Miami police, looked into 20 allegations of police misconduct. Six of those complaints have become lawsuits backed by the American Civil Liberties Union. Last week, the panel issued a report criticizing police for profiling and ''unlawfully'' searching protesters, but announced it had found no evidence of excessive force.

THE BSO TAPES

On one of the final days of the summit meant to hash out a trade agreement among 34 Western nations, Ritter had accepted a friend's invitation to attend an FTAA-related law lecture at Bayfront Park.

While leaders from 34 countries negotiated inside Miami's downtown Intercontinental Hotel, TV news showed hundreds of police in riot gear facing protesters, many college-age, who thought a trade pact would hurt developing countries.

OVERKILL

But it wasn't trade issues that brought Ritter and her friends to downtown that day. The attorney thought it was overkill that the police had all but shut down the city.

''My city, my hometown, was becoming a police state,'' she said.

A videographer captured what happened next, showing Ritter walking alone in front of a line of BSO deputies on NE Third Street.

As the deputies advance, Ritter turns around to face them and raises her sign.

A barrage of projectiles is fired. She kneels, holding her sign above her head as a shield.

Ritter is shot five times -- in her legs, upper body, and shoulder. And when she kneels on the ground, the sign above her head, a projectile rips through it and strikes her in the head.

Hard rubber projectiles typically leave welts and bruises, but at close range can pierce the skin, or rarely, kill.

'I turned around and said, `Why did you hit me?' Is a woman in a business suit a threat?'' Ritter recalled in a recent interview.

A MISTAKE?

'But then I thought, `That must have been a mistake.' A police officer isn't going to shoot me on purpose.''

Ritter walked around downtown in a daze, finally getting a ride home. Although her head and body were bruised and she was upset, she decided not to make an issue of what happened.

Then, last month the BSO videotape emerged as a result of a public records request from the Miami Civilian Investigative Panel.

Its existence was first reported by the Daily Business Review.

The tape, recorded for training purposes, shows Major John Brooks -- then a captain -- addressing dozens of deputies in an outdoor BSO tent.

''How about yesterday, huh?'' Brooks says, complimenting the officers for their work during the protests. ``I would go to war with everyone here.''

Brooks continues, ``I went home, I couldn't sleep, I was just so pumped up about how good you guys were . . . Nobody broke ranks. You're the best I've ever been with.''

Sgt. Michael Kallman, a BSO counterterrorism unit officer, addresses the group next. A voice off-camera says, ``What about the lady behind the sign? We have intel on her?''

The officers laugh.

Kallman smiles and says, ``The good news about being able to watch you guys live on TV is that the lady with the red dress, I don't know who got her, but it went right through the sign and hit her smack dab in the middle of the head!''

He raises his forefinger and zooms it toward his forehead.

The cops all laugh.

Another officer asks, off-camera, ``Did I get a piece of her red dress?''

BSO'S RESPONSE

No disciplinary action has been taken against any officers in the video, said BSO spokesman Elliott Cohen.

''There has been no Internal Affairs investigations involving FTAA,'' he said.

Brooks left the Miami Police Department and joined BSO amid controversy over the removal of Elián González from his uncle's Little Havana home in April 2000. Brooks, an assistant chief at the Miami police department at the time, had accompanied agents on the raid to clear police through police barricades.

Then-Mayor Joe Carollo criticized Brooks, saying his presence in the van gave the impression the raid had the city's seal of approval.

In May 2005, Brooks was promoted to major, making him one of Sheriff Ken Jenne's highest ranking deputies.

The Miami Herald left numerous messages for Brooks and Kallman through the sheriff's public information office. Three messages were left with Brooks' assistant and at Kallman's office explaining the story and asking for comment. The Herald also sent certified letters to both men. Neither responded. Jenne also declined to comment for this story.

Miami police was the lead police agency during the FTAA. Miami Police Chief John Timoney declined comment for this article.

Miami investigative panel attorney Charles Mays said the panel's ability to vet complaints was halted by one huge obstacle: While Miami officers wore identifying uniforms, BSO and Miami-Dade officers did not.

''It made it much more difficult to know who did what,'' he said.

''With multi-agencies running around, as an officer you won't know who's who,'' said Eugene O'Donnell, professor of police science at New York's John Jay College of Criminal Justice and a former New York City cop.

''It hurts oversight, community and accountability,'' he said.

However, he said it was nevertheless appropriate for law enforcement to prepare for the potential for violence -- like that seen in Seattle in 1999 when protests against the World Trade Organization grew explosive between cops and protesters.

FEW INJURIES

FTAA's injuries hovered around a few dozen and the week was far less violent. Miami police had 16 injuries, spokesman Delrish Moss said.

It's unclear how many Miami-Dade or BSO officers were hurt.

Commander Armando Guzman, a 25-year-old police veteran and leader of the Miami Police Swat Team during FTAA, said officers faced violence that wasn't publicized.

Protesters set fire to freight pallets they placed on the street and fired ball bearings at police using ''wrist rockets,'' sophisticated high-velocity sling-shots, he said.

Demonstrators also flung pieces of brick and rebar at cops, said Guzman.

He was nearly hit in the head with a urine-filled Gatorade bottle.

Guzman witnessed the Ritter shooting.

''Unfortunately there were people between us and them,'' he said.

``If you're in the middle, you're going to get hit.''

O'Donnell added, ''I'm not excusing what they said -- and it probably doesn't sit well with the public,'' he said. ``But it's not unheard of for cops to talk in a kind of locker room way.''

NOT A THREAT

Ritter does not accept that.

''I was not a threat to them,'' she said.

''Referring to people as cockroaches is wrong. Saying they want a piece of my red dress is wrong. The law, I know, will agree with me,'' she added.

A photo of the violent "cockroach":
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It's the Pit Bull Dilemma:
You want them to be dangerous, in one sense, but then you typically have a hard time deciding to put them down when you can't keep them in the kennel, or on the leash, and they become a public danger.

(K-Romulus
Quote:

"A well educated electorate, necessary for the efficient government of a free state, the right of the people to keep and read texts, shall not be infringed"
. . . apparently means that only registered voters are entitled to read books, and then only on-site at the local public library.
No. Too much poorly-regulated liberty.

...only registered voters are entitled to read and only government-approved books, and then only on the direct orders of a military superior, on-site at the local public library.The library shall, at all other times, be locked and guarded. )
 
I was listening to a local talk-show host (she's since gone national, and become very unpopular in this forum...) who sent her producer to the scene while the demonstrations were going on. He was reporting from the scene via cell phone when he was shot with rubber bullets.

Somehow, I knew that there would be no inquiry into reports of police overstepping the bounds of lawful behavior...
 
Unbelievable...

I don't know if I would ever not feel like dirt after hurting a woman in self-defense. To celebrate hurting one on purpose and unprovoked is just plain demented. I don't care if I agree with her politics or her reason for being there. To go out of your way to inflict injury/pain on someone like that is unthinkable to me.

They are in full riot gear and she is in a suit and carrying a paper sign. How could she have possibly have posed any kind of threat that would require that kind of responce?

The Miami Herald left numerous messages for Brooks and Kallman through the sheriff's public information office. Three messages were left with Brooks' assistant and at Kallman's office explaining the story and asking for comment. The Herald also sent certified letters to both men. Neither responded. Jenne also declined to comment for this story.

I guess they don't owe any explanations or comments to the cockroaches.
 
I often wonder why organized demonstrators don't bring their own rubber bullet guns . . . or at least things like BIG containers of pepper spray like they sell for use on bears . . .
 
The training tape shows officers joking about the shots fired at Ritter.

Broward County Sheriff's officials said no one would face disciplinary action in connection with the training video.

Not sure what to say or think here. Completely out of control?:uhoh: :confused: Elitests:barf:
 
Don't forget

Don't forget these very same police have a "constitutional" right to go home to their families at night. Of course, the normal citizen is not included in this "right."
 
evidently none of you guys were there. There is a whole lot more to this story than has been presented here. The peaceful demonstrators were NOT that at all. They were organized, well equipped, loaded with a radical agenda, and zealous in their desire to disrupt a legal, and peaceful meeting. They did a lot of things that were far from peaceful.
They pretty got what they wanted to get, and that was lumps and bumps, along with media exposure, sympathy, and lots of publicity that could be, and was, twisted, and distorted.
 
I often wonder why organized demonstrators don't bring their own rubber bullet guns . . . or at least things like BIG containers of pepper spray like they sell for use on bears . . .

That's an easy one: because most demonstrators don't want to die in a barrage of police gunfire.
 
evidently none of you guys were there. There is a whole lot more to this story than has been presented here. The peaceful demonstrators were NOT that at all...

That's true of a small minority of them.


They were organized, well equipped, loaded with a radical agenda, and zealous in their desire to disrupt a legal, and peaceful meeting....

Except for the ones that were there working, or just trying to peacefully assemble.


They pretty got what they wanted to get, and that was lumps and bumps, along with media exposure, sympathy, and lots of publicity that could be, and was, twisted, and distorted.

And the peaceful protesters? And the news media that were also shot? Did they get what they wanted?

I saw the event live. The police response could have been organized in an entirely different fashion, that could have had the rest of the world in awe of how we handle things in America. I know several Broward Deputies that went as part of the reaction force. Things there were way out of hand from the start.
 
The Constitution grants that "we the people" have the right to peaceably assemble, and to petition the government for redress of greivances.

You and I know that government would like to be "petitioned" in the form of a written note, which they can promptly toss in a trash can and respond to with a generic form letter... "Hi, I'm congressman Stan, and thanks for writing. I appreciate the support of satisfied voters like yourself. Keep up the good work!"

But "we the people" know that will never get us anywhere. One problem is that no one ever knows how many similar letters are written, and summarily tossed in the trash can. One crackpot? The voice of millions? They will never let you know. However, when people turn out on the street, en-masse, and scream "We're mad as hell, and we're not going to take it any more!" it is hard to deny that there are a lot of unhappy people, speaking with one voice. Other folks on the street tend to notice. It's hard to keep the news cameras away. Even if the people are obeying the law, assembling peacefully, simply standing on the sidewalk holding their signs, out comes the swat gear, the batons, the tasers, the water cannons... nope, can't be having any "civil unrest" disturbing our peace. (maybe they could fix the problems that inspired the protest...) but NO, let's shoot the woman with a paper sign wearing a red business suit, THAT'LL show 'em.

You know it's getting near the end when they try to put an air-tight lid on any form of protest or dissent. Free speech zones far enough from the ears of the powers that be so they don't have to listen to the unhappy cries. Cordoned off into areas where the public never sees how many unhappy people have come to voice their complaint.

Will it get to the point where in order to have a protest, you have to send a note to the PD saying "We're having a peaceful, lawful protest at the corner of 69th and Vine right now. We're not breaking any laws, but we are raising our voices in protest. We're not blocking commerce, not assaulting anyone, not destroying property. Just loudly stating our point, as is our Constitutional right. Because there is a history of goons with badges cutting loose on people legally and lawfully exercising this right, we have 35 persons wearing masks present who are armed with shotguns. Some have rubber bullets, some don't. I promise you, we won't shoot first, but we expect to be left to peacefully air our greivances. We intend to defend ourselves and our rights. For officer safety, please instruct your officers to remain on the far side of the street so their intentions are not misunderstood."

I can only imagine the myriad different ways THAT scenario would turn out, and some of them aren't pretty. Is it going to get to the point that we have to give up limiting ourselves to the "pretty" options? I sure hope not, but I don't like the way I see things going. Sooner or later, somebody is bound to go this route. I hope I'll be watching in fascination to see what happens then, and not find myself holding a shotgun and wearing a mask because the other options have all failed.
 
There are many ways to create an "us versus them" mentality. There are a lot of people who seek to exploit that mentality for their own purposes. No matter who you are or what you do, be careful who who follow, who you associate with. You might not like where the journey eventually ends.

lpl/nc
 
One often gets the effect one goes after

All I can say is that no matter who you are, when you act and equip a certain way, you get the effect that you are going after. If LEOs dress for war, then those peaceful protesters become afraid that they will be beaten and perhaps killed, so in self-defense, a natural reaction, they may turn aggressive. Protestors that start out a protest throwing Molotov cocktails, rocks, bricks and thermite grenades at LEOs will give an aggressive response in return.

What I will say personally is that if I am left alone and don't feel threatened I have no reason to go into self-defense mode. However, due to the aggressive nature of the LEOs in my county and those that border mine, I don't see them as faithful public servants giving of themselves to the community, rather as just a hair short of being full JBTs because of their own actions, words and body language without provocation.

If one cannot protest perceived wrongs against oneself, family and such without the threat of abuse or death from the government, then what is one left with? When the ballot box, jury box and soap box are rendered null and void, please tell me what box is left? My greatest fear is that the cartridge box will be the only thing left for soverign citizens to use because all other peaceful methods have been nixed.

I would hate to see (usually) less than lethal methods by LEOs be met with hand launched barages of Molotov cocktails, 00 buckshot, rifle and handgun bullets along with improvised napalm and flamethrowers. The real threat in the future is humiliating and abusing highly motivated people and then backing them into a corner. What exactly do you expect them to do in response?

To be blunt, when I see LEOs in full riot or SWAT gear I don't get a warm fuzzy feeling. I get the hair standing up on the back of my neck and the words "Deutcheland Uber Alles" repeating over and over in my head mixed in with "Seig Heil, Seig Heil" for good measure. If you want people to respect LEOs, the LEO community has to clean up its act and hold accountable those who are bad apple or the entire community will wear the same sickly badge of shame.
 
Personally, I was laughing my ass off with the cops when they were joking about popping that woman with a rubber bullet.

But then I'm really not a very nice person, and the misery of others often amuses me. :cool:
 
I watched first-hand, and quite a bit on TV, of the "peaceful protests" of the Vietnam era. Yeah, the majority of the protesters were peaceful in their intent. No doubt. Trouble is, it only takes a few in the crowd to get violence started. Once that happens, it's impossible, mostly, to separate the good guys from the bad guys.

I personally saw guys well behind the actually-peaceful protesters throw rocks and bottles at the cops. The throwers would then fall back to the rear of the crowd, and often leave the scene.

The methodology of fooling the TV folks hasn't changed one iota from those days. IMO, the TV folks are eager to show LEO violence over showing protester violence or incitement. That skews efforts to be objective in post-event analysis.

All that said, it looks like some over-reaction by the local cops, although the lady lawyer made of herself a target. She didn't have to run out front when everything was getting bad.

Generally, a good way to judge "peaceful protest" is to take note of how many store-front windows were broken...

Art
 
That's an easy one: because most demonstrators don't want to die in a barrage of police gunfire.

yeah right!! Do you realize the^%$$ the would come down if americans saw that. Be real. heads would roll.

changing thoughts here.....

the more law enforcement looks and acts like the military the harder it will be for the public to believe they are here to serve and protect. Law enforcement has a split-personality. You cant have guys dressed for hell and war(with lifeless atittudes to go with it) AND Community Policing.
 
That's an easy one: because most demonstrators don't want to die in a barrage of police gunfire.
yeah right!! Do you realize the^%$$ the would come down if americans saw that. Be real. heads would roll.
Oh really?

Can you say Kent State?

Offhand, I can't recall any heads rolling over that one. Except for maybe a few student's heads... figuratively speaking.

:mad:
 
Protesters set fire to freight pallets they placed on the street and fired ball bearings at police using ''wrist rockets,'' sophisticated high-velocity sling-shots, he said.

Demonstrators also flung pieces of brick and rebar at cops, said Guzman.

He was nearly hit in the head with a urine-filled Gatorade bottle.
Sounds like going to "peace" protests is a real contact sport. Not excusing the cops targeting this lady or the jokes...but these are not places for walking along the line of cops and not expecting to get gassed, hit. Not because you are doing anything, but because the instigators are.

personally saw guys well behind the actually-peaceful protesters throw rocks and bottles at the cops. The throwers would then fall back to the rear of the crowd, and often leave the scene.

The methodology of fooling the TV folks hasn't changed one iota from those days. IMO, the TV folks are eager to show LEO violence over showing protester violence or incitement. That skews efforts to be objective in post-event analysis.
-Exactly

I watched a funny one in Portland, OR. The cops there are VERY restrained due to all the lib influence. Anyway, the only way for the "peace" protestors to get the JBT footage they wanted was to start smashing the cops with their signs who were just standing there blocking an on-ramp. Portland PD is extremely (I'd say too) restrained, it must be frustrating to the hippies.:neener: Lots of broken windows after that peacable assembly too.

These protests always result in a deliberate attempt to provoke a response from police, followed by sympathetic news footage of some drooling idiot crying about how his kid got pepper sprayed. Pepper spray has a range of about 15ft, what kind of parent takes their 3 yo kid w/in 15ft of riot police at a protest? The low-life type hoping for something bad to happen in order to call for the resignation the police chief (this happened in Portland too).
 
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