dougestyle
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I was looking on the Hogdon site and saw where the 300 RUM can be loaded down to 300 Win mag max velocities. So, could it be assumed that those reduced 300 RUM loads would give about as much recoil as a 300 win mag?
another 300 recoil question
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"Recoil" is a function of how much mass we throw downrange (bullet and powder) at what velocity, and how much mass (rifle weight) we have to absorb it. (Stock and buttplate shape determine how we'll feel it.)
Since the 300 RUM uses a bigger case than the 300 Win Mag, it takes more powder to get the same velocity as the 300 WM. More powder is more mass, so the 300 RUM at 3,000 fps, for instance, will have greater recoil than the 300WM at 3,000 fps, in general.
Editorial - the various 300 magnums have done a lot, IMO, to turn people off of shooting sports than they should. New shooters believe they need a hot 300 magnum, then discover that there's too much recoil and never shoot them again.
Jaywalker
Since the 300 RUM uses a bigger case than the 300 Win Mag, it takes more powder to get the same velocity as the 300 WM. More powder is more mass, so the 300 RUM at 3,000 fps, for instance, will have greater recoil than the 300WM at 3,000 fps, in general.
Editorial - the various 300 magnums have done a lot, IMO, to turn people off of shooting sports than they should. New shooters believe they need a hot 300 magnum, then discover that there's too much recoil and never shoot them again.
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yes, given identical powder load and bullet weights, the recoil would be the same. This is a moot point unless you reload. A .300 in any magnum is going to be uncomfortable to shoot many rounds in a single sitting, not to mention expensive.
Case in point. My current load is a 240gr BTHP over 73.5 gr. of H1000. Average muzzle velocity is around 2950fps. Even with a sound supressor reducing the muzzle blast and recoil, it's still a beast. It's about $.60 every trigger pull with reloads and about $1.10 with bulk-purchased match ammo. I average about 40 rounds a sitting before fatigue/boredom sets in.
What's the biggest-bucking calibre you have right now, and how often do you shoot it? If you are set on a .300 magnum, research muzzle breaks. The best that I have seen are made by Armalite, but they are big.
Case in point. My current load is a 240gr BTHP over 73.5 gr. of H1000. Average muzzle velocity is around 2950fps. Even with a sound supressor reducing the muzzle blast and recoil, it's still a beast. It's about $.60 every trigger pull with reloads and about $1.10 with bulk-purchased match ammo. I average about 40 rounds a sitting before fatigue/boredom sets in.
What's the biggest-bucking calibre you have right now, and how often do you shoot it? If you are set on a .300 magnum, research muzzle breaks. The best that I have seen are made by Armalite, but they are big.
dougestyle
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The hardest-hitting caliber I have right now is a .270 win in a Browning B.A.R. Needless to say, it doesn't kick very much so long range sessions are easy. I shoot probably around 200 rounds a month.
douge-
You do know that the BAR absorbs a good deal of recoil, right?
.270 in a field weight bolt action will smack your shoulder a good deal harder than a BAR, though .270 isn't bad for recoil.
.30-06 can be loaded UP close to .300 Win Mag performance (except for the real big bullets). That's why many think .30-06 remains a better choice for most shooters than the magnums, since it can also be loaded down to .30-30 recoil levels. Also, both options are commercially available in .30-06, so you don't even have to handload (Hornady Light Magnum on the hot end, Remington Managed Recoil on the soft-recoil end of things).
Again, if you told us what you planned to shoot, and at what distance...
You do know that the BAR absorbs a good deal of recoil, right?
.270 in a field weight bolt action will smack your shoulder a good deal harder than a BAR, though .270 isn't bad for recoil.
.30-06 can be loaded UP close to .300 Win Mag performance (except for the real big bullets). That's why many think .30-06 remains a better choice for most shooters than the magnums, since it can also be loaded down to .30-30 recoil levels. Also, both options are commercially available in .30-06, so you don't even have to handload (Hornady Light Magnum on the hot end, Remington Managed Recoil on the soft-recoil end of things).
Again, if you told us what you planned to shoot, and at what distance...
MachIVshooter
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Kinda defeats the purpose of the .300 RUM. That, and efficiency/consistency are negatively impacted when large cartridges are "downloaded".
The .300 RUM was designed to have the trajectory of a 100 or 117 gr. .25-06 load using 180 and 200 grain .308" pills. The purpose was to have a flat-shooting, hard hitting cartridge for taking large game in open country where extended range is likely do to lack of cover for stalking. Also handy in rugged terrain where trying to get closer could cost you a great deal of time and/or cause you to loose sight of the animal.
The areas we hunt out here are a bit of both. If I see a trophy animal on the next ridge 370 yards off, stalking closer might mean working my way down treacherous mountainsides, crossing a creek at the bottom and then tring to claw my way back up the other side without alerting the animal, all the while hoping it was content enough to stay put. I'd rather nail him from the ridge I'm on and then hike over at a leisurely, safe pace to dress and extract him.
But if you're hunting in the dense woods of the pacific NW, you probably don't need a 400+ yard cartridge when visibilty is likely to be much, much less.
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