Another fine example of "responsible" firearms ownership...NOT!

[30 cal slob]

bah. i would have used an m-79 grenade launcher loaded with 40 mm shaving cream rounds.

 

[RLsnow]

dont worry weed, i got it

 

[Risasi]

the wounded camera

Did it get a police escort to the hospital?

Like K9 animals it won't be too long before the cameras are bona fide officers of the law. Hey, I might be onto something. They could really throw the book at a guy then.

It would sure help skew the stats on officers killed in the line of duty...

 

[2Lman]

None of those out there...

Only an ignorant bigot would associate negativity to all gun owners on the basis of this miscreant's behavior.

...And, there is no shortage of ignorant people out there...

 

[buzz_knox]

sorry getting a speeding ticket is hardly the black helicopters coming to get you

put the gun away and pay your fine idiot

There's no record of him ever getting a ticket. However, the cameras do give tickets to the wrong people. Ask our own Tamara about that one.

 

[Kentucky]

Right target, wrong tool. And he got caught. Stupid.

Then again, the right target should be the ill-meant laws which enable enforcement agencies to rip off everyone else. Cameras are incidental to that.

AWESOME!!! I would LOVE to see a poster with this theme!

 

[230RN]

Damn.

Billions of rounds of ammo fired safely every year and this idiot's three makes the paper.

And everyone sees the holes in the road signs, but nobody sees the holes in the paper.

Damn.

 

[boatbod]

Found this in my local news today. Seems like it fits right in with the current discussion.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22005888

Hunter's Wayward Bullet Enters Home

CARROLL COUNTY - A bullet meant for deer came too close for comfort for one family. Laurie King said she and her family were having breakfast when a hunter's stray bullet flew through the home.

King said the bullet hit a lamp -- shattering part of it -- then ricocheted down to a rug and bounced into the arm of a chair.

No one was hurt, but the family was outraged.

"We were hearing gunfire all throughout the morning," King said. "All of a sudden we heard a loud one."

Authorities said the shot came from about 800 yards away -- well beyond the 150-yard required safety zone.

One hunter told WBAL TV 11 News that the hunters were irresponsible.

"It's common sense. You don't shoot in the direction of a house," said Shawn Hampt. "You have to look past the target in case you miss."

Officials are investigating the incident, but no charges have been filed.

Backstop? Awww heck, who needs one of those? That house over there will soak up any rounds that miss the buck...

 

[barkingowl]

Not that I am encouraging this, but a paintball gun would have been a better choice.

I'd have thought that a suppressor would've been a better choice.

 

[Grizzly Adams]

Right target, wrong tool. And he got caught. Stupid.

Oleg, I don't believe you are really saying that the camera was the target he should have been shooting at! First off, the target should have been the ordinance and/or the city council no the camera. Secondly, if he was angry about the ordinance and/or at the council shooting wasn't the right action to take.

 

[yesit'sloaded]

I have a soft place in my heart for non violent civil disobedience against big brother. I concur a gun shouldn't have been used because of bystander danger. He could have just worn a mask and put white out over the lens.

 

[Oleg Volk]

Oleg, I don't believe you are really saying that the camera was the target he should have been shooting at!

That's why my second paragraph concurs with your view.

Isn't wearing a mask in public a crime now?

 

[Risasi]

He could have just worn a mask and put white out over the lens.

Heh, you guys are funny. The ones they have been putting up in my city are too high to reach. Most of them are mounted to erector set frames that run diagonally across intersections. Many of them are now bullet resistant too, that's probably why it took three shots.



There are far more entertaining things that could be done instead of destroying surveillance equipment. Like staging events....

Probably better tone it down guys. Even joking about doing something illegal doesn't set a good example.

Isn't wearing a mask in public a crime now?

Is it?

What about ski masks, when it's cold out?

 

[Officers'Wife]

Hi Risasi.

you guys are funny. The ones they have been putting up in my city are too high to reach. Most of them are mounted to erector set frames that run diagonally across intersections.

There is no problem that cannot be resolved with the proper application of explosives.

Sarcasm aside, there is no such thing as a secure system.It doesn't take a college degree to manufacture an EMP device. Barring that option the power supply is always vulnerable somewhere.

It's much like the old joke of how to stop a tank when all you have is knife. It's simple, you hide in the bushes until they stop for a potty break. Then you have a knife AND a tank.

Selena

 

[Grizzly Adams]

OOPS, sometimes my olds eyes move faster then my old brain can obsorb what they see. Sorry Oleg!

 

[Scanr]

Should of used a potato gun. I bet that would have knocked it silly.

 

[thegriz]

Forgive me for resurrecting this old thread - update

Here's a post from MadOgre.com about Arizona adding traffic cameras as a fund raising measure. I tend not to speed much these days but I still hate to see stuff like this.

Here's the link. You have to scroll down the page.

7-18-08: Some things really piss me off. As you well know. The one thing that renders me livid more than anything else is the wholesale liquidation of our Liberty. Read this:

“The Arizona Department of Public Safety announced yesterday that it would pay an Australian company $28.75 for every ticket it is able to issue on state highways. By September 26, Melbourne-based ticket vendor Redflex will activate what will soon become the largest speed camera operation in the United States. Governor Janet Napolitano (D) commissioned the program to generate $165 million in revenue from the $165 citations. Redflex hopes this bottom line inspires other states to follow.”

I am not quite happy with this. I do not think that this program is in the best interest of Public Safety – which is the whole purpose of imposing arbitrary speed limits in vast open spaces. Instead, I think the Democrat dip**** they call a Governor, is doing this as a means of generating revenue. I just have this feeling. One of the reasons I keep an eye on the UK, is because what happens in the UK today is what happens in the USA tomorrow. The UK is lousy with traffic cameras, and the Subjects in the UK are tired of it... some have taken drastic action and I suggest the Citizens of Arizona do the same thing. The method involves tossing a tire over the camera, or up on it some how, then light it on fire. This destroys the camera. While there is risk, if the cameras are regularly destroyed, the program will have to be aborted. Another good way is to just use a big heavy truck and ram the camera over, then pack it up and toss it into a landfill. If you can't do that, just spray paint the lenses. I also suggest to the Highway Patrol there, to ignore anyone they see doing this to a camera. These cameras are not the American Way. Leave No Camera Standing. Someone should put up a web page marking the locations of every camera they put up, so every camera can be taken down.

Here is an article from TheNewspaper.Com with more details:

top headlines:

Friday, July 18, 2008
Australian Company to Issue Arizona Speeding Tickets
Speed cameraThe Arizona Department of Public Safety announced yesterday that it would pay an Australian company $28.75 for every ticket it is able to issue on state highways. By September 26, Melbourne-based ticket vendor Redflex will activate what will soon become the largest speed camera operation in the United States. Governor Janet Napolitano (D) commissioned the program to generate $165 million in revenue from the $165 citations. Redflex hopes this bottom line inspires other states to follow. "We fully expect this program to provide a benchmark for the role speed enforcement will play in traffic safety in North America in the next decade," Redflex Traffic Systems CEO Karen Finley said in a statement to Australian investors. Redflex already operates two speed vans on behalf of state government, but the new contract expands the program to allow up to 200 automated ticketing machines. The company plans to blanket the state with 40 mobile speed vans, 10 mobile red light camera systems, 90 fixed speed cameras and 30 cameras capable of simultaneously issuing tickets in two directions. To help minimize voter backlash against the program, lawmakers last month eliminated points for these photo tickets, ensuring drivers would avoid insurance penalties and license suspensions. Early deployment plans also show out-of-state motorists will be a prime target. According to a state police news release, the placement of cameras on Interstate 10 west of Phoenix will issue tickets to "commercial and non-commercial vehicle traffic from California." Each highway patrol district will have at least two mobile speed vans to place in high-volume locations. State police have already dropped the speed that triggers a citation from 11 MPH to 10 MPH over the limit. Illinois was first to deploy a speed camera program statewide.

Since some of the cameras are in mobile speed vans I doubt anybody will be shooting them out or burning them.

 

[gallo]

Clark, now facing a $50 fine

This is ridiculous. Last ticket I got over fused brake light cost me over $100.

 

[jlh26oo]

That is a error or misprint, the $50 fine for a felony.

 

[siglite]

Those cameras are capable of much more than issuing tickets. It's been more than five years since I saw the application of facial recognition technology at far greater than traffic camera ranges. Gait recognition software's was running with pretty good false-positive rates at MUCH further ranges than that. Yeah. Big brother identifying you by the way you walk. Image search tools able to track a license plate as it moves around town...

We are morons. We keep voting these clowns into office.

 

[divemedic]

I would like to point out:

1 If the man claims that he shot the camera in protest, can he claim free speech as a defense?

2 The American revolution started out as a tax protest. Washington and his men burned down the homes of tax collectors, and in some cases murdered them AND their families. (I don't advocate those actions, but it is interesting that some get their panties in such a bunch over a camera)

 

[plexreticle]

I fully endorse and encourage this behavior without the use of firearms.

 

[benEzra]

don't speed don't get fined not that difficult surely

That might make sense, *IF* speed limits were always set on the basis of engineering principles and traffic safety instead of revenue enhancement or political pressure.

The Australian company who runs the cameras gets $28.75 PER TICKET, and the state government probably gets hundreds of dollars per ticket.. Hence, there is a strong incentive for the camera company and the state to locate the cameras in areas where the speed limits are set ridiculously low for the road, NOT in areas where it would be dangerous to speed. The state also has a strong financial incentive to set speed limits far lower than they should be, for revenue purposes.

There are places on major interstates and divided highways where the roads are designed for speeds of 80+, and they are posted at 55. Guess why.

It's the same story with red light cameras. The proven way to reduce red-light accidents is to ensure the green is long enough, and that the yellow isn't so short that people have trouble stopping before it turns red. However, if red light cameras are installed, there is a STRONG financial incentive for the state to set the yellow lights ridiculously short so that more drivers can't react in time and go through the intersection as it changes from yellow to red. Short yellows is one reason why states that have installed red-light cameras have seen sharp increases in rear-end collisions at intersections. It's all about the revenue, unfortunately.

BTW, I've 37 and have never had a speeding ticket. But I do speed when it is safe to do so.