Anti-Affirmative Action bake sales turning violent
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Don Gwinn
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DrJones, I'm not going to argue all week on this. You have a source, that's fine, but since you won't reveal your source or point us to another, you have to understand that you effectively have no source. You have no way of confirming your belief in this wild rumor, so you'll have to understand if other people are not convinced. There were probably people who believed the baby-sacrifice nonsense about Jews because Henry Ford, a Great American and Pillar of the Community, would not have spent his own money to publish the Protocols of the Elders of Zion if he hadn't been sure they were true.
Only they weren't true, of course, as acknowledged by everyone except the kind of rabid racists you've already cited as your sources once in this thread.
I know it's tempting to turn the world on its ear, but it's generally a better idea to tread carefully and be sure of your ground.
As for this:
You still haven't addressed the main thrust of my argument, except by asserting that it didn't make sense.
That was that Ockham's Razor applied to the whole concept. It would be infinitely simpler, easier, neater, and less soul-damning to wrap your cocaine in baby blankets than it would be to murder an actual baby, gut it, and fill it with cocaine. . . . . and then wrap it in the same blanket. Again, I'm not saying it's impossible that some smuggler went through an elaborate and horrible plan when all he had to do was something cheap, simple and morally superior. In general, drug dealers tend to be people who wanted to get rich and couldn't do it legitimately; often this regrettable lack is the result of stupidity.
However, when you have no evidence, either way, it makes a lot more sense to assume that the simplest and most rational explanation is the correct one.
Although most people agree that Ockham's Razor is just common sense, few people actually apply it regularly. Preconcieved notions get in the way and cause people to leap over the simplest, most rational explanations to the fantastic--as long as the fantastic fits their preconceptions.
Only they weren't true, of course, as acknowledged by everyone except the kind of rabid racists you've already cited as your sources once in this thread.
I know it's tempting to turn the world on its ear, but it's generally a better idea to tread carefully and be sure of your ground.
As for this:
We're getting bogged down in details, now, but you really don't think people can tell dead babies from sleeping babies? I don't share your point of view. I think my reasons are pretty well self-evident, so I'm not going to spend a lot of time on them.
You still haven't addressed the main thrust of my argument, except by asserting that it didn't make sense.
That was that Ockham's Razor applied to the whole concept. It would be infinitely simpler, easier, neater, and less soul-damning to wrap your cocaine in baby blankets than it would be to murder an actual baby, gut it, and fill it with cocaine. . . . . and then wrap it in the same blanket. Again, I'm not saying it's impossible that some smuggler went through an elaborate and horrible plan when all he had to do was something cheap, simple and morally superior. In general, drug dealers tend to be people who wanted to get rich and couldn't do it legitimately; often this regrettable lack is the result of stupidity.
However, when you have no evidence, either way, it makes a lot more sense to assume that the simplest and most rational explanation is the correct one.
Although most people agree that Ockham's Razor is just common sense, few people actually apply it regularly. Preconcieved notions get in the way and cause people to leap over the simplest, most rational explanations to the fantastic--as long as the fantastic fits their preconceptions.
Dr.Jones, your reliable source in the media wouldn't happen to be Lorenzo Carcheterra? Reporter turned crappy novelist, where the cocaine stuffed babies were part of the plot of his horrid novel Apaches?
Possibly the worst book I have ever read.
Possibly the worst book I have ever read.
spartacus2002
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At William and Mary, the Sons of Liberty held one of these bake sales. Unfortuately, one of the freshmen running the booth had the supremely bad judgment to be playing "Ghettopoly" with his buds at the booth, which did not help the public's perception.
Sven
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LynnMassGuy
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Conservative college students? Well at least that's a good thing. I wasn't sure there was such a thing. It warms my heart.
Balog
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That Amren stuff sounds suspiciously like the Turner Diaries. 
I spoke to some young republicans who were in town for a meeting last fall. we talked about the AA bake sales, it was the first I had heard of them. I don't remember the exact words but they welcomed violence as it would bring more publicity. looks like they were right.
jimpeel
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Balog
Go to http://www.halturnershow.com/archive.htm , which is the radio program on which the AmRen founder appeared, and note the subject list of the archives. The Turner Diaries is among them.
Go to http://www.halturnershow.com/archive.htm , which is the radio program on which the AmRen founder appeared, and note the subject list of the archives. The Turner Diaries is among them.
nico
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is anyone else bothered by the fact that this guy calls himself a conservative?
The Undertoad
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Sparticus2002 -
I wasn't going to mention that debacle. I wasn't there, I had a field trip... I'm glad I missed it. I agree that it was very stupid and provocative to be playing that. I did go to the ensuing debate the next week... :
I wasn't going to mention that debacle.
I wasn't there, I had a field trip... I'm glad I missed it. I agree that it was very stupid and provocative to be playing that. I did go to the ensuing debate the next week... :- Status