Anti's think just like we do!

[James T Thomas]

Reading the threads here, it occured to me that with all these "sky is falling" type threads, that perhaps many of the seetheing and lurking anti's have assumed that the mind set of THR members are just like theirs.

If we become afraid enough, that we will, give up, surrender with out a fight, roll over, and just abandon our firearms and Second Amendment Right.
They really have no idea who we are or how we think.
I can't wait for the next dire posting.

Warning: Ammo prices have gone through the roof! The new proposed
OSHA regulations have dried up almost ever source of ammo in existance.
Green Party has targeted lead bullets. What else?
We have had it, better just give up now! Etc. Etc.

 

[XLMiguel]

nah, Anti's don't think, they 'feel'

But I agree with your premise that many gunnies react emotionally to bad news, too. Markets are like that. Folks get scarred/feel threatened (weather, bad news, what ever-), so they stock up - milk, batteries, TP, huggies, ammo, beer, etc.

How many of y'all gonna buy an EBR is Hillary is the dummycrat candidate/Ruddy is the Republicon?

 

[john1911]

I don't see anybody giving up. And, just so you know, hoplophobes don't think, they feel!

All the things you listed are affecting shooters, it's foolish to think otherwise. I'm still shooting!

 

[Bazooka Joe71]

Warning: Ammo prices have gone through the roof!

You can say that again!

I had a free $20.00 for dicks that expired today, so I stopped by to pick up some ammo...I bought 150 rds of ultramax 9mm and a box of remmy 7.62 x 39 and it was almost, not including the coupon, $54.00!

$34.00 should have bought both of them

 

[DMK]

People complain. That's human nature. It doesn't mean everyone's giving up and letting the 2nd just die.

 

[TimboKhan]

Dudes, these "ammo going up" threads have been going on pretty much the whole time I have been on THR which is around a couple of years, I guess. The prices have climbed, but I think at this point everyone realizes that it is a matter of economics, not a conspiracy against the second amendment. Don't get me wrong, it sucks, but it is what it is and nothing more.

 

[230RN]

What bothers me about stuff like that is it lowers our pain threshold for responses. For myself, even as dedicated a 2Aer as I am, I find myself ever so slightly less inclined to respond to "alerts" by various organizations with each new Alert.

Sorry, but just human nature, I guess.

On the one hand, I'm not so paranoid as to believe that flooding us with anti proposals (OSHA, eg) is a deliberate tactic of the antis, but on the other hand, being as experienced as I am in dealing with antis, I would not put it past them.

Here in Colorado, we are about to experience, with the next legislative session, another deluge of these "reasonable" bits of legislation.

Take motorcycle helmets. For decades almost every legislative session in Colorado had some do-gooder legislation about helmets which was either defeated or never got out of committee, thanks to the lobbying efforts of the biker community hereabouts. (I can't ride any more, but this is still a hot-button subject of interest to me for its "self-determination" aspects.)

But this year, with a new Democratic Legislature and Governor, the pro-helmet do-gooders passed a law which now requires helmets for passengers under 21 (18?).

They also passed SB34 as "reasonable" gun legislation, which basically disallows recognition of lawfully issued non-resident permits of other states.

So they have smelled blood and tested the waters and done their recon work, and other cliches, and found some of our weak spots, and have been rewarded in their efforts.

So next year, I expect those drafting rooms in the basement of the Capitol building to spew forth a bunch of heavy-handed "progressive" laws and many of them are going to get through despite any lobbying efforts by concerned groups. Just plain Fascism, in my opinion.

By the way, for those having interest, anyone can register as a volunteer lobbyist for any cause you like with the State Legislature. I did this a couple of years ago for one issue in which I had particular concern.

This registration buys you a couple of things, such as direct access to some of the Legislators.

The downside is you get to be on their online list of Volunteer Lobbyists. Woo-hoo.

Contact Points:

Office of Legislative Legal Services, State Capitol Building, Room 091, Denver, Colorado 80203-1782
Telephone: 303-866-2045 | Facsimile: 303-866-4157
Send comments about this web page to: [email protected]

I may register as a volunteer lobbyinst again for the 2008 session just to add to the pro-2A volunteer lobbyist count.

But, as I say, the danger in all the wolf-crying is that our pain threshold may be getting lower: OUCH! Ouch! Ouch. Ow. Eh.

A tactic which is part of a long term strategy on their part?

I don't know for sure.

Do antis think just like we do? Maybe, maybe not. I just wish we would think more "just like they do."

After all, battles are won by Generals "putting the head of the opposing General on their own shoulders," thereby allowing them to out-think the enemy.

 

[James T Thomas]

headache

Thanks for all the replys.

"230RN:" An especially insightful reply. If I begin to try to think as they do, I'm afraid I will develop a split personality. Maybe yes or maybe no. I don't know. I have to rethink this again. Well,...

 

[230RN]

Well, I do think we are being out-thunk at this point.

One problem I see is that the antis have many full-time dedicated well-paid employees who just about do nothing all day except think about tactics to accomplish their overall strategy in removing firearms from United State society.

(They are aided, of course, by many international groups with similar intent.)

On the other hand, while "we" have a number of full-time dedicated well-paid employees who think about nothing all day but how to "counter" the antis' strategies, most of our top-level "Generals," if you will, operate on a volunteer basis --presidents of State and local gun clubs and the like.

"We" are basically a bunch of hobbyists who just want to be left alone to pursue the shooting sports.

"They," however, are a bunch of full-time professionals, and "we" are out-numbered in the leadership department. Not necessarily "out-Generaled," but outnumbered in terms of number of top leaders.

The upshot is that "we" have to be reactive, while "they" can be proactive all they want.

So every time a President signs an Executive Order declaring so-and-so many thousands or millions of acres a "wilderness" or "park" area or whatever, thereby closing it to hunting and shooting, we have to re-act.

And, pray tell, when was the last time you heard of a President signing an an Executive Order declaring an area to be forever a "non-wilderness" or "non-park" area?

My personal feeling is that even though the whole concept of "granting" concealed carry permits as a privilege is contrary to the Constitution, the more permittees we can generate, the more we swell the ranks of those who can react. So of late, I've become sort of a Johnny Appleseed of permitted concealed carry --a Johnny CCWseed, if you will.

The solution? Well, part of a solution is to counter the fact that dense urban areas and States seem to dominate most politics by their sheer numbers. I see that the only way we can do this is to contact more and more people in rural areas and make them aware of the implications for them, personally and individually of urban domination of the representative process...

... folks who can sit on their back porch and shoot at tin cans all day rarely seem to recognize that their right to do so will be infringed if they don't get off their duffs and vote pro-2A.

This is especially important in those urban-dominated areas like the blue states. I would like to see a "get out the vote" campaign specifically directed to those areas, and not just with respect to the firearms issues, but other matters where "urban policies" affect them negatively.

I was pleased to see a grass roots "County Revolution" in Illinois starting up and, like many of you, I anticipate this as being a harbinger of things to come... when rural areas begin to "face down" the densely-populated Urban Tyrannistas, if I can coin a phrase.

Sort of like a Civil War starting up within individual States.

Let my above remarks strike fear in the hearts of antis everywhere.

 

[Cato the Younger]

what about trying to crack the urban areas?

Dear Sirs,
I realize that many urban areas are anti-gun- however, is there some strategy we could use to achieve multiple goals
1. solidify rural support
2. gain/keep support in the suburbs
3. make inroads into the urban areas.

I am hopeful, as I have compared the mindset in Chicago to that of San Antonio- in Chicago, it seems people think "guns are dangerous, ban them" while in San Antonio, even individuals who should, according to the antis, be "opposed to the proliferation of firearms because of the devastation it wreacks on their communities" (their idea, not mine!) the response is- "hey, guns are dangerous, in the wrong hands- but no one will burglarize us and hurt my family- 'cause we will shoot back!"

Just my thoughts.