Apt. complex with 30.06

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If I live in an apartment complex(TX) with 30.06 posted at the entrance, I a not legal to carry as CHL.

However, does that restrict me from being able to possess a firearm in my apartment?

If not, how does 30.06 affect the way I transport from my apt. to my truck and from my truck to exiting my apt. complex? TIA
 
Are you positive that it was a 30.06 sign or one of those "unlawful possession of a handgun" signs?
I don't believe they can include your apartment in 30.06, but they may write language in your lease that prohibits possession of firearms.

See the BOLD text below.

Texas Penal Code may be found here: http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/
Sec. 30.06. TRESPASS BY HOLDER OF LICENSE TO CARRY CONCEALED HANDGUN. (a) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder:

(1) carries a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, on property of another without effective consent; and

(2) received notice that:

(A) entry on the property by a license holder with a concealed handgun was forbidden; or

(B) remaining on the property with a concealed handgun was forbidden and failed to depart.

(b) For purposes of this section, a person receives notice if the owner of the property or someone with apparent authority to act for the owner provides notice to the person by oral or written communication.

(c) In this section:

(1) "Entry" has the meaning assigned by Section 30.05(b).

(2) "License holder" has the meaning assigned by Section 46.035(f).

(3) "Written communication" means:

(A) a card or other document on which is written language identical to the following: "Pursuant to Section 30.06, Penal Code (trespass by holder of license to carry a concealed handgun), a person licensed under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code (concealed handgun law), may not enter this property with a concealed handgun"; or

(B) a sign posted on the property that:

(i) includes the language described by Paragraph (A) in both English and Spanish;

(ii) appears in contrasting colors with block letters at least one inch in height; and

(iii) is displayed in a conspicuous manner clearly visible to the public.

(d) An offense under this section is a Class A misdemeanor.

(e) It is an exception to the application of this section that the property on which the license holder carries a handgun is owned or leased by a governmental entity and is not a premises or other place on which the license holder is prohibited from carrying the handgun under Section 46.03 or 46.035.



Added by Acts 1997, 75th Leg., ch. 1261, Sec. 23, eff. Sept. 1, 1997. Amended by Acts 1999, 76th Leg., ch. 62, Sec. 9.24, eff. Sept. 1, 1999; Acts 2003, 78th Leg., ch. 1178, Sec. 2, eff. Sept. 1, 2003.

Sec. 46.035. UNLAWFUL CARRYING OF HANDGUN BY LICENSE HOLDER. (a) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder carries a handgun on or about the license holder's person under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, and intentionally fails to conceal the handgun.

(b) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, regardless of whether the handgun is concealed, on or about the license holder's person:

(1) on the premises of a business that has a permit or license issued under Chapter 25, 28, 32, 69, or 74, Alcoholic Beverage Code, if the business derives 51 percent or more of its income from the sale or service of alcoholic beverages for on-premises consumption, as determined by the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission under Section 104.06, Alcoholic Beverage Code;

(2) on the premises where a high school, collegiate, or professional sporting event or interscholastic event is taking place, unless the license holder is a participant in the event and a handgun is used in the event;

(3) on the premises of a correctional facility;

(4) on the premises of a hospital licensed under Chapter 241, Health and Safety Code, or on the premises of a nursing home licensed under Chapter 242, Health and Safety Code, unless the license holder has written authorization of the hospital or nursing home administration, as appropriate;

(5) in an amusement park; or

(6) on the premises of a church, synagogue, or other established place of religious worship.

(c) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, regardless of whether the handgun is concealed, at any meeting of a governmental entity.

(d) A license holder commits an offense if, while intoxicated, the license holder carries a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, regardless of whether the handgun is concealed.

(e) A license holder who is licensed as a security officer under Chapter 1702, Occupations Code, and employed as a security officer commits an offense if, while in the course and scope of the security officer's employment, the security officer violates a provision of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code.

(f) In this section:

(1) "Amusement park" means a permanent indoor or outdoor facility or park where amusement rides are available for use by the public that is located in a county with a population of more than one million, encompasses at least 75 acres in surface area, is enclosed with access only through controlled entries, is open for operation more than 120 days in each calendar year, and has security guards on the premises at all times. The term does not include any public or private driveway, street, sidewalk or walkway, parking lot, parking garage, or other parking area.

(2) "License holder" means a person licensed to carry a handgun under Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code.

(3) "Premises" means a building or a portion of a building. The term does not include any public or private driveway, street, sidewalk or walkway, parking lot, parking garage, or other parking area.
(g) An offense under Subsection (a), (b), (c), (d), or (e) is a Class A misdemeanor, unless the offense is committed under Subsection (b)(1) or (b)(3), in which event the offense is a felony of the third degree.

(h) It is a defense to prosecution under Subsection (a) that the actor, at the time of the commission of the offense, displayed the handgun under circumstances in which the actor would have been justified in the use of deadly force under Chapter 9.





Text of subsection as added by Acts 2007, 80th Leg., R.S., Ch. 1214, Sec. 2







(h-1) It is a defense to prosecution under Subsections (b) and (c) that the actor, at the time of the commission of the offense, was:

(1) an active judicial officer, as defined by Section 411.201, Government Code; or

(2) a bailiff designated by the active judicial officer and engaged in escorting the officer.





Text of subsection as added by Acts 2007, 80th Leg., R.S., Ch. 1222, Sec. 5







(h-1) It is a defense to prosecution under Subsections (b)(1), (2), and (4)-(6), and (c) that at the time of the commission of the offense, the actor was:

(1) a judge or justice of a federal court;

(2) an active judicial officer, as defined by Section 411.201, Government Code; or

(3) a district attorney, assistant district attorney, criminal district attorney, assistant criminal district attorney, county attorney, or assistant county attorney.

(i) Subsections (b)(4), (b)(5), (b)(6), and (c) do not apply if the actor was not given effective notice under Section 30.06.

(j) Subsections (a) and (b)(1) do not apply to a historical reenactment performed in compliance with the rules of the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission.



Added by Acts 1995, 74th Leg., ch. 229, Sec. 4, eff. Sept. 1, 1995. Amended by Acts 1997, 75th Leg., ch. 165, Sec. 10.04, eff. Sept. 1, 1997; Acts 1997, 75th Leg., ch. 1261, Sec. 26, 27, eff. Sept. 1, 1997; Acts 2001, 77th Leg., ch. 1420, Sec. 14.833, eff. Sept. 1, 2001.

Amended by:

Acts 2005, 79th Leg., Ch. 976, Sec. 3, eff. September 1, 2005.

Acts 2007, 80th Leg., R.S., Ch. 1214, Sec. 2, eff. June 15, 2007.

Acts 2007, 80th Leg., R.S., Ch. 1222, Sec. 5, eff. June 15, 2007.
 
When I entered the thread, I thought you meant it as you were using a "30 aught 6" as a HD weapon in an apartment complex. I'll try to see if I can find some answers for you as I have nothing else to do at the moment.
 
It's an actual 30.06 posting. It's one of only 3 places in my city that has it.

Initially I thought it was just to keep out "visiting" or "non-resident" individuals with CHL. I didn't think too much of it when I first moved here because I did not own a firearm and was not interested in owning a firearm. Now that my interests have changed I want to make sure I am legal.

I am trying to find my lease agreement to see what it says.

From my understanding, I legally cannot conceal carry if I am CHL. But does that mean I forfeit (legally) the ability to possess in my apartment? And the "normal" transportation rights (apt. to vehicle to outside complex) afforded to non-CHL?
 
However, does that restrict me from being able to possess a firearm in my apartment?

If not, how does 30.06 affect the way I transport from my apt. to my truck and from my truck to exiting my apt. complex? TIA

The 30.06 sign cannot stop you from having a gun in your own residence. But, as mentioned above, your lease might. Note that it wouldn't be a crime, but it could be grounds for eviction.

And, getting to and from the car is legal as well, see the definition of premise above. It could keep you out of public areas; laundry room, leasing office, etc.

You said this sign was posted at the entrance. What entrance? The office? If it's at the leasing office that's one thing, but if it's posted at the gate it's another.

Are there multiple buildings in the complex? Is the sign at every entrance? This sounds like someone who has no idea what they are doing just stuck some signs up.

The lease itself is what I'd look into.
 
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"When I entered the thread, I thought you meant it as you were using a "30 aught 6" as a HD weapon in an apartment complex."

I thought the same exact thing. The fact that the code is 30.06 is very ironic and humorous.

As for the original question: I would ask to see a copy of the rental terms and read through it to see if there is any specific wordage saying you can't have a firearm inside your place. As far as transportation of the firearm to your vehicle I would just keep it in case and maybe under something like a blanket (sucks to have to hide it, I know) and your not gonna even get noticed.

Even in a worse case senario, lets say some neighbors see you loading up the truck getting ready for the range and they call the police. Well I can honestly tell you that as long as you don't look like a shady character and you don't act like a punk when the law shows up, then your not looking at any trouble other then a bit of your time. This is still America and you can still have your guns.

All of this is assuming that there is no specific literature in the rental agreement about not having firearms inside your apartment....and if it DOES, well, I would ask myself how much I really liked it there.

Edit: I was writing this while the previous poster was still replying and I think he sums it up better. Also I don't live in TX but rather CA. If the guidelines I laid are legal in CA then your sailing smooth in TX.
 
Okay. So I was told by a friend that it had the sign and there's a website that has this complex as a PC 30.06 location...

However, I went and took pics of the signs and all three (2x entrances and main office) state the following:

"[No handgun symbol with the followig text underneath]:
POSSESSION OF A HANDGUN UNDER AUTHORITY OF TEXAS CONCEALED HANDGUN PERMIT LAW [vcs art. 4413 (29ee)] IS PROHIBITED ON THESE PREMISES.

LA LEY DEL ESTADO PROHIBEN CARGAR ARMA DE FUEGO EN ESTE SITIO."

So as you can see, the signs do not have the exact wording from the penal code. But what does "...a card or other document on which is written language identical to the following" mean? Do these signs suffice for "identical"?

Or are the signs useless because they are not exact?
 
Or are the signs useless because they are not exact?

The signs are useless because they are not exact.

This happens for a couple of reasons.

1) People are just too stupid to realize it.

2) People know what they are doing and intentionally put these "gun busters" or other signs up to make the sheeple feel safer, knowing that they don't really apply to lawful carriers.

No telling which one this is.
 
So I'm guessing that the complex had these signs under the laws at the end of 90s beginning of 2000s. At that point, it was illegal to carry concealed under those signs.

But the statutes have changed and the apt. complex has not bothered to update their signs? At which point, the complex can obtain new signs and enforce the current statutes?

I'm not going to say anything and will not press the issue with the complex. I'm not sure when the statute changed but apparrantly it has gone this long without updating the signs.

I want to thank all of your advice. I appreciate the help!
 
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Unless it is prohibited by the rental/lease contract to possess firearms in the apartment. Again, it isn't illegal per state law to do so, but it may be grounds for eviction if they find out. How would they find out? Maintenance comes in for routine inspection/repair etc. Gets nosey..."hmmm...what's in the closet?" and finds a small gun cabinet.

the Texas CHL forum may have some additional resources for your consideration or use with the landlord.

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First, I'm not a lawyer and I no longer live in Texas so I haven't kept up with that stuff like i used to.

IIRC the 30.06 sign has to be EXACTLY as written in the law. The lettering has to meet certain size requirements, must be plainly visible, etc. It sounds like you're on the right track if the signs don't match exactly what they're supposed to.

It's like going in a place with a sticker on the door that's a picture of a handgun with the 'no smoking' ring with a slash through it - that sign don't hold water.
 
First, I'm not a lawyer and I no longer live in Texas so I haven't kept up with that stuff like i used to.

IIRC the 30.06 sign has to be EXACTLY as written in the law. The lettering has to meet certain size requirements, must be plainly visible, etc. It sounds like you're on the right track if the signs don't match exactly what they're supposed to.

It's like going in a place with a sticker on the door that's a picture of a handgun with the 'no smoking' ring with a slash through it - that sign don't hold water.
This is correct.

By way of background, before it was recodified as Chapter 411 of the Government Code, the Texas CHL law was in Vernon's Revised Texas Civil Statutes article 4413. Vernon's had several different abbreviations in common use, including "vcs" for "Vernon's Civil Statutes". The 30.06 sign at the original poster's is from an earlier version of Penal Code 30.06. This earlier version is (obviously) no longer in effect, and a sign pursuant to these earlier versions of 30.06 have no legal effect.
 
In Texas if you are "verbally" told not to carry a CHL on a premises by someone who has authority over that premises then it does not matter that they don't have a valid 30.06 sign.

I am not a lawyer so you should consult one if you decide to remain there. It is possible that any provision of a lease prohibiting lawful firearms would be considered an illegal or immoral clause and not be enforceable.
 
To the OP, as I live in Texas as well, is to seek the advice of Charles L. Cotton.

I hate to do this to THR, BUT us here in Texas have a great forum @ TexasCHLForum.com

Charles Cotton is an attorney who is fighting tooth and nails here in Texas for gun rights. He is the head guy over at TexasCHLforum and knows the ins and outs of the Texas Gun laws better than any other person alive.

This would be something I would ask him as he would be the best advice imo. And hey, free legal advice is nice to have too!

Sorry to direct him to another forum...but when it comes to the possibility of legal issues, I think its safe for him to look there if he so pleases.

If you already knew about that forum, awesome. If not...I'm sure you can receive the answers you seek and welcome to the forums there as well! Haha.
 
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