Ar 15 iron sights
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chris in va
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I'll get some serious flak for this, but...
My early S&W Sport came with a Leapers sight pictured in MistWolf's post labeled 'LMT'. It's quite sturdy and mounts solidly with that thumbscrew. I bought a smaller aperture for it to duplicate my Garand. It's made of steel and I can't see it geting damaged much from a drop.
Yes it's Chinese made, yes it's inexpensive. But it does work.
My early S&W Sport came with a Leapers sight pictured in MistWolf's post labeled 'LMT'. It's quite sturdy and mounts solidly with that thumbscrew. I bought a smaller aperture for it to duplicate my Garand. It's made of steel and I can't see it geting damaged much from a drop.
Yes it's Chinese made, yes it's inexpensive. But it does work.
tcoz
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I really like my Matech rear sight. Check eBay for some decent prices.
DocUSMCRetired
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https://www.armsmounts.com/
https://www.armsmounts.com/default.asp?mode=products&sub=sights&id=[hsh]40L-P Rear
https://www.armsmounts.com/default.asp?mode=products&sub=sights&id=[hsh]40L-F Front
best sights you are going to find hands down. Built in the USA, Built and used by SF. Enjoy. I have a pair that were on a rifle, that was dropped. Didnt damage them, didnt loose the zero. Can't say the same for troy sights, which broke. Stay away from plastic (polymer) sights. They are designed to be dropped, and beaten up.
https://www.armsmounts.com/default.asp?mode=products&sub=sights&id=[hsh]40L-P Rear
https://www.armsmounts.com/default.asp?mode=products&sub=sights&id=[hsh]40L-F Front
best sights you are going to find hands down. Built in the USA, Built and used by SF. Enjoy. I have a pair that were on a rifle, that was dropped. Didnt damage them, didnt loose the zero. Can't say the same for troy sights, which broke. Stay away from plastic (polymer) sights. They are designed to be dropped, and beaten up.
Little Wolf
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This.
I would also call Magpul about the broken sight. They should send out a call tag and offer to replace them free of charge. They will also want to investigate the sight as they are not supposed to break that easily. Perhaps there was a bad batch of polymer?
My next project AR will have a fixed front sight, and I will use the cut down rear carry handle sight I was using as a backup on the last build.
GI, milspec, tough, drop it out of a 5 ton truck and it still works, steel and aluminum, and a 45 year history of combat.
How many more click phrases do we need to know it's the preferred way to do AR sights?
As for the others - pricey, polymer, broken, aftermarket, not official issue, melts when heated to working temperatures, duffel bag fodder, fragile, not ready for prime time.
Them's the click phrases we see on the market today. OP has the classic case and it's on point - aftermarket sights are not tough enough to hold up to what does happen to AR's in the field. Stoner made the sights to put up with 19 year old graduates of mayhem and what they will do to a combat rifle. If you have served and worked in Basic Training units, you know - get a group of young American males together with a stop watch and a bowling ball, they can break both in record time. It's why Stoner had the front sight located with steel pins and the rear integral with the upper receiver forging.
Even Kyle Lamb wrote in an article now out in American Rifleman, if you are going to transport an AR in a vehicle for long periods of time, better iron sights than an optic. Having flown to Egypt and Cuba with an M16A2 under my boots on a charter aircraft, I tend to agree.
Mounting a front sight on a free float immediately negates what a free float does - separate stress from a sling, rest, or off hand to prevent moving the sight mounted on the barrel. Sights on free floats are right back at being moved around. Fail.
What we have is a current market fad to sell you a $150 mounting accessory option which promises to increase accuracy. It can - but it won't make any rifle more accurate than the barrel and the shooter using it. That takes money, a good barrel, nearly hand picked loads, and lots of practice. Nonetheless, the Hole of the Month club keeps churning out newsletters, we keep buying free floats, and we keep breaking the complicated, fragile, and under designed high precision square range sights we drop onto concrete or ice. Usually for "cool" factor. Got to say, breaking them on ice can't get any cooler. Sorry for the OP, there's a lesson learned there and I'm not going to let it happen to me.
GI iron sights. They work.
GI, milspec, tough, drop it out of a 5 ton truck and it still works, steel and aluminum, and a 45 year history of combat.
How many more click phrases do we need to know it's the preferred way to do AR sights?
As for the others - pricey, polymer, broken, aftermarket, not official issue, melts when heated to working temperatures, duffel bag fodder, fragile, not ready for prime time.
Them's the click phrases we see on the market today. OP has the classic case and it's on point - aftermarket sights are not tough enough to hold up to what does happen to AR's in the field. Stoner made the sights to put up with 19 year old graduates of mayhem and what they will do to a combat rifle. If you have served and worked in Basic Training units, you know - get a group of young American males together with a stop watch and a bowling ball, they can break both in record time. It's why Stoner had the front sight located with steel pins and the rear integral with the upper receiver forging.
Even Kyle Lamb wrote in an article now out in American Rifleman, if you are going to transport an AR in a vehicle for long periods of time, better iron sights than an optic. Having flown to Egypt and Cuba with an M16A2 under my boots on a charter aircraft, I tend to agree.
Mounting a front sight on a free float immediately negates what a free float does - separate stress from a sling, rest, or off hand to prevent moving the sight mounted on the barrel. Sights on free floats are right back at being moved around. Fail.
What we have is a current market fad to sell you a $150 mounting accessory option which promises to increase accuracy. It can - but it won't make any rifle more accurate than the barrel and the shooter using it. That takes money, a good barrel, nearly hand picked loads, and lots of practice. Nonetheless, the Hole of the Month club keeps churning out newsletters, we keep buying free floats, and we keep breaking the complicated, fragile, and under designed high precision square range sights we drop onto concrete or ice. Usually for "cool" factor. Got to say, breaking them on ice can't get any cooler. Sorry for the OP, there's a lesson learned there and I'm not going to let it happen to me.
GI iron sights. They work.
Captains1911
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For folding sights it's hard to beat Troy.
rodinal220
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What MistWolf posted plus the KAC sights are top notch.
http://shop.knightarmco.com/ProductsList.aspx?CategoryID=159
http://shop.knightarmco.com/ProductsList.aspx?CategoryID=159
minutemen1776
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I like the Troy BUIS for a folding rear. I also like the Larue fixed BUIS, especially with a same-plane aperture. For a front/rear set, LMT is hard to beat, and like-new ones often turn up on website equipment exchanges.
I have a folding Troy set and it is good, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Magpul could take a better hit (I have a couple of these also). Could be that drop would have broken or bent a more expensive metal sight as well. The LMT fixed rear looks the toughest.
Here's an interesting drop test of 3 backups, Troy and Magpul included. http://kitup.military.com/2012/07/back-up-iron-sight-drop-test.html
I think a fixed or a carry handle would be needed to be tougher, not a more expensive flip-up.
Here's an interesting drop test of 3 backups, Troy and Magpul included. http://kitup.military.com/2012/07/back-up-iron-sight-drop-test.html
I think a fixed or a carry handle would be needed to be tougher, not a more expensive flip-up.
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Captains1911
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Why is that, I must be out of the loop?
I bought these sights for a budget build
http://www.amazon.com/Spec-AR-15-Re...UTF8&qid=1416872601&sr=8-8&keywords=ar+sights
All I can say is try them for yourself. They work for me.
http://www.amazon.com/Spec-AR-15-Re...UTF8&qid=1416872601&sr=8-8&keywords=ar+sights
All I can say is try them for yourself. They work for me.
Zerodefect
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Troy hired and fired some real jackarses. Not sure how much it reflects on them, or why they did such a bone headed thing. I've never met Troy's people.
Just another normal day from Massachusetts people, maybe. But Troy might not be around much longer. All the forum posters seem to be boycotting them.
Larue still carries them. So they must not be the debil.
http://www.laruetactical.com/troy-di-optic-aperture-front-rear-sight-combo
Just another normal day from Massachusetts people, maybe. But Troy might not be around much longer. All the forum posters seem to be boycotting them.
Larue still carries them. So they must not be the debil.
http://www.laruetactical.com/troy-di-optic-aperture-front-rear-sight-combo
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dprice3844444
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check here for sights
http://www.e-sarcoinc.com/ar15m16.aspx
http://www.e-sarcoinc.com/ar15m16.aspx
IIRC, the issue with Troy is that they hired someone who was there with Horiuchi at Ruby Ridge. Why they'd do that when they sell stuff to a community that is largely at least suspicious of or even downright hostile toward Ruby Ridge type scenarios... that's a head-scratcher.
I haven't really heard anything bad about the quality of their products though.
Also, know that they make the same sights for some other companies and with other brands stamped on them.
I haven't really heard anything bad about the quality of their products though.
Also, know that they make the same sights for some other companies and with other brands stamped on them.
WinThePennant
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If you are going with iron sights only, go with a BCM carry handle sight. Best there is, IMHO.
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/AR-15-Carry-Handle-BCM-p/bcm carry handle ar-15.htm
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/AR-15-Carry-Handle-BCM-p/bcm carry handle ar-15.htm
This is why you don't want your money going to Troy:
http://www.thebangswitch.com/the-hiring-follies-of-troy-industries/
They still have at least one of these folks on their payroll (as last reported).
The unfortunate this is that they really do make some good products. As mentioned earlier, I can't think of any folding BUIS that are better for the money than their Folding Battlesights (though I don't yet have any firsthand experience with the new Magpul MBUS Pro sights).
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