AR-15, M-16 or AR-10, etc.

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I have a couple of questions. I have read and heard of all the Match winning .223 AR's at 1000 yds or whatever. My question is if the AR design is so much better than the older M-14 type why isn't the newer Arma-lite 308 type rifles as accurate and/or dependable at extreme range? Also, I respect the long-range shooting folks but I've heard that they use a super long bullet that will not cycle and feed out of a magazine. Is this true? Are there different competitions that allow only a more standard issue-type ammo, more of a combat competition? Like I said, it truly amazes me at what these people do with a .223 at 1000 yds. thanks
 
I can't say if the AR10 is as accurate as the AR15 or not, but the reason they aren't used in high power competetion is that most classes require a "service rifle." Since the AR10 was never used as a military rifle, it's not allowed. I'm just guessing, but I'd think the AR10 would be extremely accurate, as is the AR15.
 
Thanks, it is my guess also since the 308 uses a similar gas system, that has made the dif. in shooting more accurate ie less moving parts on the rifle. I like both rifles very much. Ihave seen some nice pics of some very none standard space gun ar 15 at service rifle looking competitions in nra magazines & other pubs.I bet there is some place that has a match with a open type rifle class scoped & not scoped ,set up like a service rifle event. That would be a great learning exp. & fun to boot.
 
I think there's an NRA class like that. I've thought the same thing about it. Since I don't have a "legal" service rifle, I'd like to participate in a "hunting" class with optics, etc. with my AR15 flattop or Browning Abolt .308.
 
Hmm...either my brain is in granny gear today or you brought up more questions in those two posts than I thought were possible given the amount of letters you used.

Aaannnyyyway.

Yes, we AR shooters use extra long bullets for 600 and 1000 yard competition. They are typically 80 grain bullets, but the 90 grain is now getting popular for 1K work. The 80's and 90's are specifically built to be loaded quite long and will not fit into a magazine. A few good shooters use the 75 Grain Hornady (eitehr A-max or HPBT) for 600 yards, loaded at mag length and it works quite well. You are more than welcome at any Highpower match and you may shoot whatever ammo you wish, however you will simply not be competitive with "factory" ammo unless you're using a competition grade of ammo with the heaviest bullets you can get, ie the 75 grainers and SMK's 77's....they're the heaviest commercially loaded ammo on the market. You'll need to reload to use 80's. To get into a competition and use sub-standard ammo will only hurt your marksmanship skills. If you are capable of holding 2 MOA but your ammo won't hold 5 MOA, how do you know how well you are doing when your group is 42" wide at 600 yards? I want ammo that holds tighter than I can.

AR10 is not a Service Rifle

If you are not shooting in Service Rifle class, why use .308 when there is better (like 6X)?

6X doesn't feed as well and gas port setting was a challenge, from what I understand. The main reason it didn't take off is that the size of the AR-10 receiver was too large for good match handling. (The AR-15 is great for it, but when you add a few inches, its too big for gooe position shooting).

There are two main divisions in Highpower Rifle. Service Rifle and Match Rifle. The two classes shoot the same course side by side at the same time. SR must adhere to strict rules regarding appearance, sights, and triggers. MR guns may have just about whatever they want, as long as they're safe. This is what you're talking about.

Please ask if you have more questions.
 
Thanks Steve Smith, I am digging up some older 60"s NRA mag I got at a flea market & gunna rreeaaD till my eyes hurt on this. Those old mags have a wealth of info like THR &TFL I just hate those coffee shop commando"s that know ever thang about ever thang. Ihave got to see some outstanding marksmanship & it truly amazes me, what ever smokepole thier using, a real science.
 
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