Are these the only SAO subcompact autoloaders?

[verdun59]

herrwalther,

You are being too kind when you call an AMT lemon-ish. It's not even a decent paper weight.

 

[DeanV]

On my p938 with extended grip, I can get half a pinkie on it. Enough to hold. I have wide hands though.

 

[Mitlov]

The SIG P-238 is a clone of the Colt Mustang.

The Remington R-51 is not a "subcompact". It's a compact sized pistol, similar in size to the Walther PP.

I guess I'm a little confused by pistol size terminology then. The Beretta PX4, for example, has models named "PX4 Full Size," "PX4 Compact," and "PX4 Subcompact," and the R51 has less length, less height, less width, and less weight than the PX4 Subcompact. Is there a good rule of thumb for when something is a compact, when it's a subcompact, and when it's considered a pocket pistol?

 

[orionengnr]

Is there a good rule of thumb for when something is a compact, when it's a subcompact, and when it's considered a pocket pistol?

Yes. Don't believe marketing hype.

Any manufacturer can call anything they choose a "sub-compact". I can call a camel a goat, too. Doesn't make it true.

Find a handgun that fits in your pocket. Then compare the specs of "similar" models. If the L x W x H and weight are in the same ballpark, you are on the right track.

IMHO, an LCP is a pocket gun. So is a Kahr PM9/CM9. Anything larger is getting iffy. I have used a j-frame as a pocket gun, as have many others...but the j-frame is a good bit longer in overall length.

Do your own homework.

 

[Mitlov]

I actually wasn't looking for a true pocket gun, but for a small, light gun I could do IWB carry with (with a tuckable holster). I've shot a Ruger LC9. That's the exact size and weight I want, even though it's not the gun I want (long-and-heavy DAO trigger, right-hand-only thumb safety that's dangerous for a left-hander).

 

[barnbwt]

I don't suppose anyone ever made a single-stack compact Hi-Power clone? It'd be similar to the 1911, I suppose, but still

TCB

 

[cluttonfred]

Citadel offers a compact 1911 in .45, 9mm and .38 Super made by ARMSCOR in the Philippines that might work for you.



http://www.legacysports.com/m-1911
http://www.galleryofguns.com/genie/default.aspx?item=CIT9MMCSP

 

[KansasSasquatch]

If you want to get technical, Springfield XD's are all single action pistol. And the triggers on them are quite a bit nicer than the triggers on an LC9. Maybe try checking out an XDs. It is somewhat bigger than an LC9, but I'd put it in the same size category.

 

[Chocolate Bayou]

I have the Colt Defender Light Weight in 9mm and think it is outstanding. I have had zero complaints except they are pricey, but I feel they are worth the higher cost cost compared to like guns on the market.

JMO

 

[larryh1108]

The Solo is DAO although a very light DA.

Not true. 100% incorrect.

From Kimber's website:

With a barrel length of just 2.7 inches, Solo pistols are easy to carry and conceal. Many of the features borrowed from 1911 pistols also make them exceptionally safe. A manual ambidextrous thumb safety, checkered slide release and ambidextrous magazine release button enable fast and intuitive operation. Then there is the single action striker-fired trigger pull–even and smooth.

http://www.kimberamerica.com/solo

 

[herrwalther]

You are being too kind when you call an AMT lemon-ish. It's not even a decent paper weight.

I was lucky enough to find one that fed every non-HP with 100% reliability. Never found a hollowpoint brand I could fire a whole box and not see a stovepipe or other jam. It particularly loved Pow R ball rounds and that is what I used for carry. I carried it as a backup pistol when I lived in a not so nice part of the state, when I moved farther out I didn't need it as much. I made it very clear to the store I sold it to that it was a great firearm. That little AMT gave me a great story too. I found part of a tooth underneath the INTERNAL hammer the first time I gave it a thorough cleaning.

 

[Willie Sutton]

"If you don't mind buying used, look at the Spanish Firestar pistols. While not true 1911 pistols, they are very similar (minus grip safety) and can be had in 9mm, .40 and .45."


Sort of like carrying a scuba divers lead weight in your pocket though. And they have a nearly unusable safety. My .40 is the only handgun I've sold in the last decade, traded away as it filled no requirement.

The little SIG is the perfect companion to anyone used to a 1911. There's no need to look further. With that said, I have a fondness for the CZ-82, which can be carried in any condition desired.


Willie

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[KenW.]

The Springfield XD/XDM line are hammerless single action guns. Often they are misrepresented as DA because they are striker-fired. The weapon is cocked upon the slide action, and there is no second strike capability.

Grip angle is the same as the 1911 too.

 

[Mitlov]

The Springfield XD/XDM line are hammerless single action guns. Often they are misrepresented as DA because they are striker-fired. The weapon is cocked upon the slide action, and there is no second strike capability.

Grip angle is the same as the 1911 too.

I know the XDS had a big recall issue recently...has that all been sorted now? Keeping the same grip angle as the 1911 would be nice, to ease transition between the two.

I'm starting to realize that due to cost and weight issues, I should probably be looking at a polymer striker-fire design instead of a miniaturized 1911 for my carry gun.

 

[KenW.]

Hundreds, if not thousands, of products get recalled. We should be thankful of the manufacturer noting problems being able to correct them.

The XDS recall has been going on for some time and the weapons are being returned to the owners. For more info stop in at xdtalk.com/forums and surf around.

To the best of my knowledge the XD subcompacts and the XDM compacts have never been recalled. The XDS is the only one I'd consider to be a pocket gun though.

I own a 9mm XD subcompact, XD 40 subcompact (recently traded away for my dream J-Frame), XD45 compact, and XDM40 3.8 compact. These are the guns that got me to place the Kimber Tactical Custom II on the top shelf of the safe.