Armed gunman in CA Post Office

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1. It does seem increasingly like these events spike as legislative efforts come up. I'd like to think it's just a matter of newscasters with an agenda.... If we get a few more by September though, or one biggie just as it comes out of commitee or Gods forbid goes up to Bush... I don't think I'll be able to believe that anymore. Already I'm inclined to wonder if a "Jim March" style amateur investigation on some of these perps might not be a good idea.

2. Stop it from happening? You never can, completely. You can certainly make it a less attractive option though. The way I see it though is that it has far, far less to do with guns and CCW per se and more with ending the vicitim mentality. 9/11 and Flight 93 really struck a serious blow to the whole "sit back and wait for the authorities" mindset, and I only see that as increasing.

-K
 
Funny, the blurb I read in the paper said he stormed in and "took hostages". No mention of how or even if he were armed, although a postal inspectory that was interviewed refered to him as a "gunman". It did mention that the swat team was armed with assault weapons.
 
Funny, the blurb I read in the paper said he stormed in and "took hostages". No mention of how or even if he were armed, although a postal inspectory that was interviewed refered to him as a "gunman". It did mention that the swat team was armed with assault weapons.
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Local TV newslady said the same thing.
Perp took hostages.
Cops had "assault weapons".

Thought it was interesting.
 
Metal detectors at the door? Have you been reading that "my ccw keeps setting off the store metal detectors" thread? Those are not metal detectors? Everyone that walks in with a knife or a big belt buckle would set them off. Those are anti-theft devices. They now have a lot of the postage as self-serve over along the wall, they don't want you walking out with it.

What I don't understand is how this event has absolutely nothing to do with the State of California. The no guns in federal buildings is a nation wide thing. If it was an assault weapon, it was illegal for him to have in the first place as we don't get to have assault weapons in this state. Then everyone starts bagging on California and how they deserve this and it should fall off into the ocean. Then someone else talks about how the PRK is a police state because we don't have CCW. HELLO!!! I have my CCW and I live in the PRK.

Why are there so many people out there that have this disdain for California, when it is not even warranted in this situation? If you don't like the way politics are in California, move there and vote!!! Quit bad mouthing us and talking trash. I would venture to saythat the people on this board who complain about California and urge everyone to move out help contribute to the problems of California. We need more good people to stay and help turn the tide. "California is a lost cause" you say? Yeah, then how come the rest of the nation is looking at an even more restrictive assault weapon bill than what we even have here? Because this stuff gets passed in California. It is a big ego boost to the anti-gunners. If more good people would live here and help stop this crap, you eventually wouldn't have to worry about it in your good state. Just continue to close your eyes and bad mouth us. Pray the assault weapons ban doesn't pass. If it does, I won't feel sorry for any of you. Welcome to my hell! Now instead of bad mouthing this place, you might have wished you could have helped in some way.

Now back to the subject at hand. This incident has nothing to do with the state of politics in the PRK. In fact, it is just a good reminder of how the state politics in the PRK are ineffective and useless. Not a single law stopped this from happening. What good is it to make some more? That is what needs to be focused on. This thing does nothing but make our case. Anytime crime occurs in these "safe zones", it is the best thing that could happen for our cause. However, that is if we were dealing with rational human beings, anti-gun liberals are obviously not.
 
Why are there so many people out there that have this disdain for California, when it is not even warranted in this situation?
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I know of at least one mass shooting incident that occured specifically because of California gun laws.

I draw your attention to one Buford Furrow. A white supremacist wife-beating loser.
http://www.cnn.com/US/9908/12/california.shooting.03/
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Buford felt the need to "go kill some Jews".

This left our Nazi loser with a bit of a quandry.

Should he:

A) Take his chances in a Synogogue in WA, a state with more than 600,000 CPLs?

B) Drive to Oregon, Idaho, Nevada, or Montana, all of which have citizen friendly gun laws?

C) Drive to the People's Demoratik Republik of California, which contains sheeple as far as the eye can see?


You already know the answer. And Buford, being a classic Nazi, attacked a day-care center, and then shot a mail-carrier for the crime of being Philipino.
 
I don’t think that you can prove that Buford specifically targeted that day care center because he knew, being in California, that the chance of anyone having a firearm would be slim. As I recall (looking for data) the day care center was run as part of the local Jewish Community Center, and that, I believe was his reasoning for the target choice.

I’ve said it before, whenever it comes up in a thread, yes, we know California has some ridiculous firearms laws, but we’re not the worst, nor the most repressive. Anyone from New York City or Washington DC want to chime in here?

The needless California bashing is uncalled for and adds nothing to the discussion. Give it a rest please. Speaking for myself, I love this state- wouldn’t live anywhere else. Yes the gun laws suck, but this is my home.
 
I don’t think that you can prove that Buford specifically targeted that day care center because he knew, being in California, that the chance of anyone having a firearm would be slim. As I recall (looking for data) the day care center was run as part of the local Jewish Community Center, and that, I believe was his reasoning for the target choice.
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You think we don't have Jewish Community Centers here in Washington state? Maybe he drove hundreds of miles for the fun of it. Yeah! That's the ticket! :rolleyes:

Nice try though.

Are there places worse than California? Yes.

That should be a comfort. :rolleyes: :scrutiny: :uhoh: :barf:
 
Sorry guys, the story is a hoax.


We all know that assault rifles are illegal in CA, and firearms are prohibited in Post Offices.

More media lies...
 
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Your CNN story link has an idea in it as to the reason why he chose California:

Authorities say Buford Furrow, a resident of Washington state with a history of hate group ties, drove to Los Angeles where the August 10 shootings occurred. Morris Dees of the Southern Poverty Law Center, which tracks hate groups, offers a theory of why Los Angeles was chosen.

"(Hate groups) target Los Angeles as being a center of Jewish power in America -- the media, television, Hollywood, etc. They have this fantasy that Jews control this nation and they have to take some violent action. I think that's why he went to Los Angeles to do what he did."
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No mention there of the lack of possible self-defence firearms. If California's perceived 'easy target' status was the reason, why drive the length of California to Los Angeles? Why not just stop at the state capitol in Sacramento? Or San Francisco?

Nope. I don't think that the thought 'hey I know! I'll go shoot up a JCC day care center in California, 'cause they can't have guns so they can't shoot back!' ever was part of the equation.

He was just a Nazi whack job that wanted to kill some Jewish kids.
 
No mention there of the lack of possible self-defence firearms. If California's perceived 'easy target' status was the reason, why drive the length of California to Los Angeles? Why not just stop at the state capitol in Sacramento? Or San Francisco?
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No mention of the unarmed sheeple of Los Angeles by the famed left-wing extremist Morris Dees of the Southern Poverty Law Center? A man that has dedicated his life to taking away R.K.B.A. rights in this country, and he didn't mention the unarmed (by law) sheeple of Los Angeles! I'm shocked! Shocked I tell you!

LMMFAO :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

But again, nice try.

why drive the length of California to Los Angeles?
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Because it was the only place within 1,000 miles of where the Nazi idiot lived, that had an almost ZERO possibility of him encountering an armed citizen, or a cop that didn't have "sensitivity to the plight of the downtrodden" indoctrination. That's why.

Maybe you aren't aware of this, but Buford found out what it is like to stare down the barrel of a gun a couple of years before his little road trip.

Buford attacked some folks at a mental facility and then waved a knife around threatening people. The King County Sheriff's dept. showed up, and Buford came within about .02 ounces of trigger pull from being sent to his great reward before he surrendered.*

Buford learned that day that it is better to attack in a place that is known to be as soft as possible on criminals, and as hard as possible on the victims of crime.

Dangling southern California in front of him was a little like waving a pork chop at a famished Doberman.


*Shortly after Buford's (hopefully) last escapade, the deputy that was involved in the hospital incident came on TV and radio to apologize for not having shot the loser before he was given his chance to kill in KA.
 
I still don't buy it completely; perhaps it’s because I have such a hard time expecting rational thought from such an obvious nut case.
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And yet you bought Morris Dees' socio-politically nuanced (and much more sophisticated) explanation for Buford's behavior. :rolleyes: :scrutiny: :banghead:

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Imagine a world in which every single adult, and every child mature enough, had a gun on their person at all times. .......................If everyone were armed so and trained crime would be tiny.
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You may as well wish for silver dollars falling from the sky because its never gonna happen. Even in CCW states, only a small minority of folks have licenses, a smaller minority actually carry with any regularity, and even a smaller number of those have any sense of proper training. The correct answer is, there is no way to prevent this happening any more than you can prevent me from driving my SUV into a crowd of kids at a bus stop. CCW laws are not meant to stop the occasional whacko with an AK. They are meant to allow individuals to protect themselves and, if done properly, will have a positive impact in reducing crime overall but may or may not have any effect on specific crimes. Selling CCW laws on the premise that a million crime fighters are going to be on the street is misleading and counterproductive because the liberals are going to call your bluff the first time there is a mass shooting and a CCW license holder doesn't stop it.
 
Why was I not surprised when I found out it was in Lakeside. I used to live there, sounds like nothings changed. Lets see, a school shooting there, the post office, whats next? Could be just about anything--Stay tuned to news at 10. Honestly, California is such a mess. I'm glad I left when I did. The San Diego area seems to have more than it's share of idiots. One nasty incident after another. Myself, I think it's Gov. Grayout Davis, he just makes people go nuts.
 
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