Arming pilots isn't safer for flyers (not entirely what you might think...)

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May 1, 2003, Thursday

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HEADLINE: Arming pilots isn't safer for flyers

BYLINE: By Caitlin O'Farrell, Mustang Daily

SOURCE: California Poly State U.

DATELINE: San Luis Obispo, Calif.

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We thought we were safe. With increased security measures, X-rayed baggage and metal detectors checking every inch of our bodies, now airline pilots may be packing heat behind cockpit doors, making an easy target and tool for hijackers and suicide missions.

Come on, passengers can't even bring nail clippers in their carry-on luggage.

Last week, the first graduating class of 44 armed airline pilots took to the skies toting 40-caliber semi-automatics in reinforced lock boxes.

Many of the rules and regulations set forth by the Transportation Safety Administration to control these gun-bearing pilots have been criticized. They are thought to be so intrusive that the measures begin to hamper safety instead of improving it.

The pilots, who originally numbered 48, were volunteers selected on the basis of diversity of gender, age, experience, corporation and type of aircraft. Four officers were released because of background checks.

They spent a week in Glyncoe, Ga., enduring a concentrated training experience including marksmanship and non-lethal self-defense before they were sworn in as federal flight deck officers.

Although I do agree that these pilots have been properly trained, psychologically tested and screened thoroughly, I can't help but worry what threats this will pose to passengers' safety.

Can I even count how many movies I've seen where some bad guy knocks out the pilot and dresses up in his clothes and steals all his stuff? No, and while I know that is only Hollywood, it seems people these days are getting more and more crazy ideas from the movies.

Now any pilot or crewmember's luggage will scream, 'steal me.' Can you imagine the security nightmare this could bring about? Especially since the thief will be beyond any safety measures in place to protect us.

The airlines and the TSA have concerns about this new measure because they could be held liable if the firearm inadvertently injures the pilot, a passenger or part of the crew.

Keeping the gun in a lock box is a dangerous move that is intended to make airline customers believe that the firearm is safely locked away. This measure is deeply opposed by the pilots.

They oppose it with good reason.

It turns pilots into targets without allowing them a way to defend themselves. If the guns were carried on the person, at least they would always know where it was and would be able to access it quickly if an incident did occur.

The TSA sees this as an extreme security risk because the gun could in fact be wrestled away from the pilot or be misfired in the cockpit. But this form of safety is much better than the government's last resort plan of having an F-16 shoot a hijacked airliner out of the sky, killing all the innocent souls aboard.

A recent Department of Justice study of lost and stolen weapons in the FBI ranks showed that not a single theft occurred while the weapon was secured in the holster on a person. The study, spanning 30 years, revealed that the majority of the weapons lost or stolen were placed in gym bags, handbags or briefcases.

Five years from now, as many as one in three U.S. pilots could be carrying weapons on the flight deck. Since passengers are not supposed to know which pilots are armed, it is up to luck of the draw where a gun could end up.

After the Sept. 11 attacks on the United States, everyone is concerned about the safety of air transportation, but whether this new measure will discourage or encourage passengers to take flight once again is still a mystery.

I will continue to fly, but I know I will be wary every time I see a pilot board the plane carrying a locked briefcase.
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While Caitlin does not seem overly impressed with the idea of armed pilots, I think there were several good points. Most importantly, the issue that it would be better for the pilots (to say nothing of the passengers) to have the firearm on their person, rather than in a lockbox.
 
While provision of the law are unreasonable IMO there is no way the federales or public is going to allow reasonable provisions right out of the box. It will take time and experimentation to figure the best system. I could tell you yor right up front the cockpt lock box is a loser of an idea, but it will take a pilot and several years and most likely an ugly incident to prove to our protectors the idea was a loser.

Now while I applaud the law regardless of how partially kestered it is implemented, I am outraged how those who would protect us construct a deliberate and gapping hole in the security plan by limiting armed pilots to PASSENGER aircraft. I expect the chance of an attack using a cargo plane to be significantly higher. The very place where use of a firearm would be by definition safer is the very place where te government prohibits the use of firearms. If I was into tinfoil hats I'd have to swear the government is trying to create a dangerous situation.
 
Five years from now, as many as one in three U.S. pilots could be carrying weapons on the flight deck. Since passengers are not supposed to know which pilots are armed, it is up to luck of the draw where a gun could end up.

Yeah, and the price of ping-pong balls in Pakistan might plummet, too. The author of the purported "article" needs to sign up for Logic 101.
 
Hollywood is not reality. Get a grip

while I know that is only Hollywood
:p

His point is a good one I think. If the gun is locked up in a box it's going to be hard to get to for the pilot. But the pilot might be made a target since he will have the key/combination to the box and thus the gun.
 
The money and effort that has been spent to prevent hijackings is atrocious and for the most part, wasted. The way to prevent hijackings is to deny access to the flight deck from the passenger compartment. Though costly up front (how much did the twin towers and pentagon cost?), every plane designed for passenger use should have an OUTSIDE door to the flight deck, modifications for crew amenities, and a sealed, solid bulkhead between the passenger compartment and the flight deck. There should be NO communication between the deck and the pasengers with the exception of an "emergency" button an attendant could push to signal the pilot to land at the next available airport. If the bad boys can't threaten the crew, they can't hijack. If this change (doesn't everyone hate and resist change??) is too much, then specify new replacement aircraft to be so constructed. Another thing the industry needs to strongly consider, is that after a certain number of rotations, passenger craft should be relegated to freight use only. One other thing, should the industry issue an information packet instructing and encouraging passengers to become proactively involved in a bad situation ? I think YES !
 
winwun, your ideas are unworkable. Construction of a separate door on current aircraft would be horrendously expensive, and possibly unworkable. Pilots, like other people have need of restroom facilities. Besides the door then, a new lavatory would need to be built in already cramped space.

As for requiring new aircraft to be built with a bulkhead between passengers and crew, that could be done, but probably would require a complete redesign of any aircraft in current production. Not a likely scenario, since it would require design, testing, and more money. It could be incorporated in future "clean sheet" designs, though.

Your idea of requiring aircraft being relegated to cargo only after certain time limits has no chance. Believe it or not, cargo and passenger aircraft are subject to the same standards of airworthiness. Cargo operators aren't simply the "poor relatives" of passenger carriers.

Keep in mind that the airlines are on the ropes now. Not one could afford the changes you outlined in the near term. Maybe long term.
 
The pilots are reportedly restricted to carrying their firearms in the padlocked plastic boxes their guns came with going to and from the plane.

Once on the plane they are reportedly to be carried in a designated strong-side belt holster with a retaining snap.

They are not supposed to leave the cockpit in flight without securing their pistol. How? Don't know.

The idea being that it is in their control, in the cockpit only. Badguy causing trouble outside of the cockpit? They do not act. Break into the cockpit? They act.

The point where they may "holster up" is currently a hot point of debate, for obvious reasons. Do they have to wait until boarded? Will there be a designated area after TSA security where they will be able to holster up? If so, how will that change from airport to airport? And so on....
 
longeyes, the term pilot in this case means cockpit crewmember...pilot, copilot, flight engineer...all the same.
 
Org, what part of "crew amenities" did you not understand? What part of "how much did the WTC and Pentagon cost" did you not understand? Of COURSE the changes would be costly, BUT the cost will vary depending on whether the people who DON'T want to do it or the people who DO want do it do the figuring. Don't say "It can't be done," and then tolerate an unworkable situation. If there's a problem, FIX it!! Think outside the box. It CAN be done if people go with a positive attitude instead of thinking "this is the way it is and we have no choice but to live with it." Things CAN be improved if the right changes are made, and improvements are costly, agreed. That's why we are driving $60,000.00 Corvettes instead of $350.00 T Models.
 
A little tense, aren't you winwun? Having been a crewmember for 25 years or so, I think I understand "crew amenities" at least as well as anyone, you included.

Your idea of putting in a bulkhead and cutting another door for the crew isn't going to happen for two reasons: engineering and economy. A small 4' by 3' hatch has to bear over 14,000 pounds of pressure trying to blow it out the side of the airplane. Not easy to design, and maybe impossible on today's airplanes. The economy factor comes from both the cost of modification (multimillions per airplane) and the cost of removing a few rows of revenue producing seats to make room for the "amenities." Who's going to pay for it? The airlines can't afford it, they're going broke now. The congress won't pass legislation to pay it, nobody's been killed this week in a hijacking. Shall we take up a collection? A bake sale? Think outside the box.

The only way a bulkhead will seperate the cockpit from the pax is on new design aircraft not yet on the drawing board. The way the industry looks now, it's going to be a long time before any new aircraft are designed, bought, and put in service.

All this is reality. All the "think outside the box" BS and "wish, and it will happen" in the world won't change reality. Sometimes it takes more than wishing real hard.
 
winwun
How long would it take to design and build a completely new commercial airliner fleet? That's what you're asking for.

Ian Sean
The Israelis don't arm their pilots. They have a large security contingent in the cabin, but the flight deck crew is not armed.

They also practice a level of profiling that no American would stand. "It's easy" they say "you just strip search every Arab or Palestinian, and harass everyone who {reference to old, mild ethnic joke deleted to prevent myself from being barred from THR} isn't an Israeli citizen." To translate their methods to our use, I guess we'd have to conduct complete strip searches on everyone. Yeah, that'd be effective.
In case no one noticed, Tim McVey and the Uninbomber, for two, would have been ablre to get by that level of profiling. The Israeli's (understandable) obsession with other Middle Easterners seems to ignore the fact that the Lod Airport massacre (in Tel Aviv) wascarried out by JAPANESE terrorists! And the Air France airliner was highjacked to Entebbe by German terrorists. This, of course, is why the Israelis harass non-Israelis on El AL fights, but how do you translate that to US air carriers?
 
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