Australia's first Bill of Rights should be passed by the Legislative Assembly

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Canberra Times (Australia)

June 5, 2003 Thursday Final Edition

SECTION: A; Pg. 17

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HEADLINE: ACT's proposed Human Rights Act strikes the right balance;
Australia's first Bill of Rights legislation should be passed by the Legislative Assembly, say George Williams and Nick Hume

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THE ACT Bill of Rights Consultative Committee, in its report Towards an ACT Human Rights Act, has proposed a modest, but effective, Bill of Rights for the ACT.

Rather than entrenching a constitutional Bill of Rights in the ACT Self-Government Act, it finds that the Legislative Assembly should pass ordinary legislation called the Human Rights Act to protect a wide range of basic freedoms. This would give the Territory Australia's first Bill of Rights, while also ensuring that the instrument meets the needs of the community rather than confirming the fears of its critics.

A legitimate concern is that a Bill of Rights would shackle the ACT to a rigid United States-style Bill of Rights in which intransigent minorities (like the gun lobby) can misuse their "rights" to detract from the general welfare. A related fear is that such an instrument would give judges too much power in the allocation of public resources and in assigning social responsibility. Fortunately, the model proposed by the consultative committee meets both of these concerns.

Rather than being based on the 200-year-old United States Bill of Rights, the ACT Bill of Rights would be modelled upon the United Kingdom's Human Rights Act 1998. It would also include provisions from the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms 1982 and the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act 1990. Each of these modern instruments has been successful in increasing the protection of and education about basic rights and is well supported by their respective community.

The consultative committee's proposal is that the Assembly protect rights taken from key international instruments to which Australia is already a party. These are the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights.

The inclusion of economic, social and cultural rights, such as the right to education and the right to the highest attainable standard of health, makes the ACT proposal more expansive than the traditional list of civil and political rights. The consultative committee found that economic, social and cultural rights should be included as they are as integral to a worthwhile human life as "traditional" rights such as the right to vote.

None of the rights protected in the Human Rights Act, including the economic, social and cultural rights, would be absolute. They could be limited because of relevant "financial circumstances" or to the extent that this is "reasonable and justifiable in an open and democratic society based on human dignity, equality and freedom".

Similar economic, social and cultural rights have operated in South Africa for several years. There the courts have not interfered with rational decisions by government agencies.

The South African experience, as well as that of the United Kingdom, shows that a properly drafted Bill of Rights, like that proposed for the ACT, will not bring about a flood of litigation.

In any event, the ACT Human Rights Act would not enable courts to strike down laws passed by the Legislative Assembly. Courts would be directed to interpret legislation to be compatible with the protected rights. If this could not be achieved, in a device taken from the United Kingdom, the Supreme Court could make a "declaration of incompatibility".

This would direct the attention of the Attorney-General to the issue. He or she would then have six months in which to respond in the Legislative Assembly to the declaration. The law might be amended, or the response might be to do nothing. Overall, the process would engage the courts, the Assembly and the community in public "dialogue" about basic rights, while always acknowledging the supremacy of the elected legislature.

The Bill of Rights proposed by the ACT Consultative Committee is innovative and pragmatic. It would protect basic community rights while also overcoming the problems that have affected other proposals.

Judges would not have the last word.

The focus of the Bill on the capacity of the Assembly to protect rights in partnership with the people of the ACT is a welcome shift away from the normal concentration on the courts. Judges would have a role, but it would be limited to interpreting laws and identifying areas of incompatibility. They would not have the last word.

The ACT Human Rights Act should be passed by the Legislative Assembly. It strikes the right balance between protecting the rights of individuals and ensuring the needs of the wider community. If it is passed, the ACT will become a leader within Australia on issues of human rights. Attention might then turn again to the issue at the national level, where Australia remains the only Western nation without a Bill of Rights.

Professor George Williams is the director, and Nick Hume an intern, at the Gilbert and Tobin Centre of Public Law at the University of NSW.
 
A legitimate concern is that a Bill of Rights would shackle the ACT to a rigid United States-style Bill of Rights in which intransigent minorities (like the gun lobby) can misuse their "rights" to detract from the general welfare.


"Rights," in quotations, pretty much sums it up. I do so love how governments decide which "rights" we'll get to have. :barf:
 
More smoke & mirrors. Don't pay attention to the little man behind the curtain while the Great Oz is talking!

Sadly, I reckon there is zero chance of any state here, or Australia as a whole, of adopting a real Bill of Rights.

Notice this article said something like "judges will not have the last word." It never said who does have the last word. All talk, no substance. Very liberal (but here that word usually means conservative, ie the liberal party is the more conservative party, which is totally confusing!)

The consultative committee found that economic, social and cultural rights should be included as they are as integral to a worthwhile human life as "traditional" rights such as the right to vote.
So what we're saying here is, "the right to feel... good/safe/protected" is paramount, i.e. the state has the right to take your tax money away & spend it on whatever they like, as long as it's supposed to make you feel OK. Things like education/indoctrination, giving money to minorities, promoting "public safety" (eg. anti- smoking, guns, DDT, or whatever takes their fancy.) But there's no rights for individuals, to say that the guvment CAN'T do things... so it's all a sham.

Naturally there is absolutely NO intention of anything like RKBA.

Esky
who wishes that Australia could have a real Bill of Rights
 
What a load of drivel. A "Bill of Rights" that can be changed by parliamentary fiat is not even worth considering.

I am sure that if these people had their way, the Australian constitution would also be an act of parliament - to amended at will. And would not the prime miniature love that!
 
If it's anything like the Canadian "Charter of Rights and Freedoms", it won't be worth used toilet paper; there's a neat little codicil (the "notwithstanding clause) in our Charter that allows the government (federal OR provincial) to over-ride and/or ignore ANY of the rights or freedoms therein, any time they feel like it.
 
Smells like the EU's proposed bill of right...happy socialist fluff like:

"The aged have the right to dignity".


Oh, and since when 50%ish a minority?
 
"THE ACT Bill of Rights Consultative Committee, in its report Towards an ACT Human Rights Act, has proposed a modest, but effective, Bill of Rights for the ACT.

Rather than entrenching a constitutional Bill of Rights in the ACT Self-Government Act, it finds that the Legislative Assembly should pass ordinary legislation called the Human Rights Act to protect a wide range of basic freedoms. This would give the Territory Australia's first Bill of Rights, while also ensuring that the instrument meets the needs of the community rather than confirming the fears of its critics."

What a conceptual abortion! The entire premise of this exercise misses the point behind a “Bill of Rights.†The threshold question for a BOR is “who is most likely to violate my rights to the extent that I need protection to the level of a BOR with teeth?" The answer, of course, is one’s government is the prime violator. It is unlikely to be a private individual who will violate one’s rights, but if it is, there is recourse against the same in all democratic societies through the courts. What is not present in all democracies is the individual power to make the government stay within the defined limits of its delegated powers. The trend toward tyranny where there are uncheckable concentrations of power is precisely the trend that a BOR is intended to thwart.

A BOR consisting of “ordinary legislation†does nothing to protect “basic freedoms†from those most concerned with violating those self-same freedoms out of pique or convenience–the legislators.


"A legitimate concern is that a Bill of Rights would shackle the ACT to a rigid United States-style Bill of Rights in which intransigent minorities (like the gun lobby) can misuse their "rights" to detract from the general welfare. A related fear is that such an instrument would give judges too much power in the allocation of public resources and in assigning social responsibility. Fortunately, the model proposed by the consultative committee meets both of these concerns."

A BOR that shackles the government to its predefined limits is a “legitimate concern†to whom pray tell? To overreaching legislators? To overbearing bureaucrats? To noisy busybodies wishing to force their activist viewpoints upon society through the momentary popularity of a bad idea? An “intransigent minority†like blacks suing against separate but equal, like women suing for equal protection of the laws, like the handicapped demanding that their government be able to at least communicate with them be they deaf or blind, like criminals, who for better or worse, find the outer boundaries of the state’s police powers through the exercise of their "rigid" rights, detract from the general welfare? Who defines the “general welfare?†Once again the answer to the aficianados of unbridled central power is “the majority.†A true Bill of Rights is antimajoritarian if it is correctly conceptualized and implemented.

"Rather than being based on the 200-year-old United States Bill of Rights, the ACT Bill of Rights would be modeled upon the United Kingdom's Human Rights Act 1998. It would also include provisions from the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms 1982 and the New Zealand Bill of Rights Act 1990. Each of these modern instruments has been successful in increasing the protection of and education about basic rights and is well supported by their respective community."

Yes, rather than base a BOR on the most successful one ever devised, let’s model it on some of the least successful ones, the ones which have proven time and again to be more observed in custom than in the breech. One must admit that the non-American BORs cited above have been far more useful in educating their respective masses about “basic rights†as those rights are routinely violated by those states in very high-handed ways.

"The consultative committee's proposal is that the Assembly protect rights taken from key international instruments to which Australia is already a party. These are the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights."

Yippee!

"The inclusion of economic, social and cultural rights, such as the right to education and the right to the highest attainable standard of health, makes the ACT proposal more expansive than the traditional list of civil and political rights. The consultative committee found that economic, social and cultural rights should be included as they are as integral to a worthwhile human life as "traditional" rights such as the right to vote."

The “right to education?†The “right to the highest attainable standard of health?†The latter one is a mouthful to be sure. These touchy-feely “rights†capable of being abrogated by a simply majority of the legislative body, are not rights with any substance. Then again, a seemingly indispensable component to living a “worthwhile human life†includes the “right†to mouth meaningless nothings in as politically correct language as attainable as possible.

"None of the rights protected in the Human Rights Act, including the economic, social and cultural rights, would be absolute. They could be limited because of relevant "financial circumstances" or to the extent that this is "reasonable and justifiable in an open and democratic society based on human dignity, equality and freedom"."

No absolute rights? I will be the first to admit that no current BOR has been construed as an absolute bar to governmental meddling, but never have “rights†been so easily dismissed as when it is proposed that they may be suspended for lack of budgetary cash or the mealy mouthed whim of a simple majority of Tweedle-dum and Tweedle-dee signing off on their abrogation.

"Similar economic, social and cultural rights have operated in South Africa for several years. There the courts have not interfered with rational decisions by government agencies."

South Africa is the model of these academics? Yikes. Then again, leftists everywhere reflexively applaud any scheme of government that does nothing to challenge the power of government, which they love to control, elitists that they are.

"The South African experience, as well as that of the United Kingdom, shows that a properly drafted Bill of Rights, like that proposed for the ACT, will not bring about a flood of litigation."

True enough. The citizens of those societies doubtless realize that any attempt to check the power of the central government through their toothless courts is folly.

"In any event, the ACT Human Rights Act would not enable courts to strike down laws passed by the Legislative Assembly. Courts would be directed to interpret legislation to be compatible with the protected rights. If this could not be achieved, in a device taken from the United Kingdom, the Supreme Court could make a "declaration of incompatibility"."

In other words, the “rights†would be meaningless if the legislators say so. The Supreme [sic] Court, being anything but, could advise as to its uselessness as a bar to unmitigated thrashing of one’s rights by the central government. Again, part of the role of the courts in a properly functioning democracy is to be antimajoritarian to ensure that “social progress†is by measured degrees, not radical restatements of the relationship between the governors and the governed on the whim of the former.

"This would direct the attention of the Attorney-General to the issue. He or she would then have six months in which to respond in the Legislative Assembly to the declaration. The law might be amended, or the response might be to do nothing. Overall, the process would engage the courts, the Assembly and the community in public "dialogue" about basic rights, while always acknowledging the supremacy of the elected legislature."

The advisory statement of powerlessness from the court would direct the state’s top law enforcement official to go to his masters where they might scratch his head and return to business as usual. The ensuing “dialogue†would be useless as the supremacy of the legislature is the only guiding constant.

"The Bill of Rights proposed by the ACT Consultative Committee is innovative and pragmatic. It would protect basic community rights while also overcoming the problems that have affected other proposals.

Judges would not have the last word."

These professors have created the perfect solution to a problem that does not bother true freedom loving people but greatly antagonizes those who know what is best for you and demand that they run things.

"The focus of the Bill on the capacity of the Assembly to protect rights in partnership with the people of the ACT is a welcome shift away from the normal concentration on the courts. Judges would have a role, but it would be limited to interpreting laws and identifying areas of incompatibility. They would not have the last word."

Just in case you missed that you are the sheep and they are the shepherds the first time they wrote it.

"The ACT Human Rights Act should be passed by the Legislative Assembly. It strikes the right balance between protecting the rights of individuals and ensuring the needs of the wider community. If it is passed, the ACT will become a leader within Australia on issues of human rights. Attention might then turn again to the issue at the national level, where Australia remains the only Western nation without a Bill of Rights."

It certainly does show that Australia has no true BOR, and these yahoos now propose that you get a fake one ASAP. How neo-communist of them. Congratulations on your latest bid to wrest the title pf Airstrip One from the UK.

"Professor George Williams is the director, and Nick Hume an intern, at the Gilbert and Tobin Centre of Public Law at the University of NSW."

Figures.:barf: :rolleyes:
 
It certainly does show that Australia has no true BOR, and these yahoos now propose that you get a fake one ASAP. How neo-communist of them. Congratulations on your latest bid to wrest the title pf Airstrip One from the UK.

And Australia still won't have one, whether it be good, bad or indifferent, when this is passed. This is the ACT BoR. The ACT (Australian Capital Territory) is the Australian equivalent of the District of Columbia.
 
Digest version:

"You can have rights as long as the government finds that they are convenient and not expensive".*

*The Governmet reserves the power to opress, deny, subvert, abuse, rob and generally mistreat its subject if it ever really needs to.
 
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