Available .223's?

[toddler]

I've been reading a lot of posts here and at Glocktalk, and something confuses me. I understand the "AWB" says you can't have several features on a military style rifle, but why are all the post ban rifles I see AK47 or AR15 template types. Why can't we buy a G36K without a flash supressor and a semi-auto only trigger group. Or can we?

And if the ban does sunset (I sent out 4 letters today), does that mean we will be able to buy G36's, Sig552's, MP5 and MP7's with only a semi-auto trigger group?

Is there a legal reason Bushmaster, Arsenal Inc, Olympic Arms, and others only seem to be producing replicas of the pre-ban firearms made to conform to the "ASB", and not the newer rifles/carbines? Can anyone explain this to me?

Thanks,

Todd

 

[Zundfolge]

There is also an import ban (which I don't believe is part of the AWB). The only reason you see so many AKs is because if you get enough of the parts made in the US, then they are legal here, and there are a lot of people making parts for AKs here.

 

[Oracle]

I think that the G36 cannot be imported at this time, but, HK is building a plant in the U.S., so, who knows?

*crossing fingers hoping that a semiauto G36, replete with flash hider and folding stock will be available for legal sale in this country someday*

 

[toddler]

Does the import ban name specific rifles, like MP5, or does it simply ban all military style rifles? I thought the import ban was from'89, and that the G36k newer than that? Does it mean you won't be able to import a new model hunting rifle made in Austria if Steyr or somebody comes out with one? That seems to violate free trade.


Todd

 

[Zundfolge]

I believe that the "import ban" is actualy several treaties with other countries (Germany being one of them) there was never a treaty with Romania, which is why we can still get Romanian SARs and WSARs

Can anyone confirm that?

 

[seeker_two]

Why can't we buy a G36K without a flash supressor and a semi-uto only trigger group. Or can we?

It's called an SL8-1...

But I don't think that's what your looking for...

 

[Kharn]

Zundfolge:
Its not a treaty, the US just has import restrictions agaisnt non-sporting arms due to Bush I's and Clinton's executive orders (along with other restrictions against arms from China and Russia).

Kharn

 

[toddler]

So something like a 3 gun competition doesn't count as a sport?
That's weird. Even billiards and curling qualify as sports. If you were to order one of the rifles we're discussing with the "expressed" purpose of using it to compete in a 3 gun competition, could you have it imported? Not going to try, just curious as to how the law gets around this possibility.

Todd

 

[MrPink]

The import ban of 1989 (Thanks, George I) bans the importation of rifles for non-sporting purposes, which then the ATF (in great bureaucratic wisdom) has defined as rifles with such evil features as pistol grips and bayonet lugs. Hence marketing abortions such as the HK SL8 and the Steyr USR. Even though US made post-ban guns like the AR-15 can have pistol grips.

So IF the AWB sunsets, you would be able to buy and AR-15 with a flash suppressor and bayonet lug. But because the import ban is an executive order you would not be able to buy a G36 or an AUG unless they were made here in the good 'ol USA.

With regards to a semi-auto MP5, if made here it would be a NFA-controlled Short Barrel Rifle or it would have to be an HK 94 with a 16" barrel. I doubt you or I will ever be able to own an MP7. I would expect the ATF to classify the round as "non-sporting" just as they did with the FN P90 round.