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AZ: Citizen patrolling border guilty for carrying gun
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longeyes
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"Militia boys" are more dangerous than illegal aliens because illegal aliens constitute the future mainstream of the Republican Party. Ask Karl Rove. Dick Morris proferred the wisdom of this yesterday in the NY Post.
El Tejon
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Militia boys are a direct threat to the integrity of law enforcement. They cause mistrust and fear by their play-acting.
As a LEO, I was tough on Batmen and militia boys. They undermine the very fabric of due process.
However, depending on one's perspective apparently that's not so bad.
As a LEO, I was tough on Batmen and militia boys. They undermine the very fabric of due process.
However, depending on one's perspective apparently that's not so bad.
TallPine
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The fabric of due process has already been rent asunder by voire dire (french for "stacking the jury"), and judges who rule on their political beliefs rather than constitutional law.
Law enforcement is a direct threat to the integrity of law enforcement. Nobody can destroy your integrity but yourself.
seeker_two
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ahenry: Ranch Rescue has links to several stories to validate that claim. Makes for some scary reading...
True, but the political head-honchos can undermine their ability to enforce existing law & erode the integrity of their mandate as well.
Would LEO's be as gung-ho in the WoD or as lax on illegal aliens if the politicians didn't provide a supportive environment (i.e. legislation) for such attitudes?
True, but the political head-honchos can undermine their ability to enforce existing law & erode the integrity of their mandate as well.
Would LEO's be as gung-ho in the WoD or as lax on illegal aliens if the politicians didn't provide a supportive environment (i.e. legislation) for such attitudes?
longeyes
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The fish stinks from the head. We have people at the top who do not put our country and citizens first, do not listen, and do not enforce the law. People don't want to override the law, but when the law becomes part of a failed political process, some will.
El Tejon
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seeker, no argument about politicians!:banghead:
labgrade
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Does not anyone else find it repugnant that there is some fed-clause that disarms otherwise law-abiding citizens from even the possession of a firearm in our - let's take a pause to hail a toast! - our own national monuments/parks?
Are not these natural wonders a cherished & blessed remeberance of why we are here, & what we defend? the very essense of the land? the very best?
& here, we are disarmed.
Regardless if this guy was a nut-job, he broke no law (as reported) other than "being in possession of ... "
"The fabric of due process has already been rent asunder by voire dire (french for "stacking the jury"), and judges who rule on their political beliefs rather than constitutional law."
Yup, YesSir! ditto. Uh-huh ....
But, El Tejon, " Militia boys are a direct threat to the integrity of law enforcement. They cause mistrust and fear by their play-acting."
But if "play-acting" is all they're doing, how can that be a threat? Every "knows" that militia-men are a bunch of over-weight, beer-guzzling, wanna-bes. Right?
& that's a threat?
Mayhaps you rethink your policy towards those that are "allowed" their fantacies.
I would be much more concerned about a well-fit, dedicated member of society, who knew their rights, disgusted with the current (& far more increasing mind-set of LEOs) militarisation of the police. & one who keeps his mouth shut & will just do what he thinks need be done.
Enough said on that subject - for now - new thread coming.
Are not these natural wonders a cherished & blessed remeberance of why we are here, & what we defend? the very essense of the land? the very best?
& here, we are disarmed.
Regardless if this guy was a nut-job, he broke no law (as reported) other than "being in possession of ... "
"The fabric of due process has already been rent asunder by voire dire (french for "stacking the jury"), and judges who rule on their political beliefs rather than constitutional law."
Yup, YesSir! ditto. Uh-huh ....
But, El Tejon, " Militia boys are a direct threat to the integrity of law enforcement. They cause mistrust and fear by their play-acting."
But if "play-acting" is all they're doing, how can that be a threat? Every "knows" that militia-men are a bunch of over-weight, beer-guzzling, wanna-bes. Right?
& that's a threat?
Mayhaps you rethink your policy towards those that are "allowed" their fantacies.
I would be much more concerned about a well-fit, dedicated member of society, who knew their rights, disgusted with the current (& far more increasing mind-set of LEOs) militarisation of the police. & one who keeps his mouth shut & will just do what he thinks need be done.
Enough said on that subject - for now - new thread coming.
Uhhh. These guys aren't the ones you need to worry about.
I'd worry more about pissing off the folks who are well-trained, take their enlistment oath seriously, and keep their mouths shut. Sort of the way you don't worry so much about the dog that barks, rather the one that eyes you, then lunges.
If I were an LEO, and I was worried, I wouldn't act in a way that pissed people like that off. Hell, I wouldn't arrest someone for carry without a permit, for example. Might be one of the reasons I'm not LEO though -- why would someone willingly enforce unjust laws?
I'd worry more about pissing off the folks who are well-trained, take their enlistment oath seriously, and keep their mouths shut. Sort of the way you don't worry so much about the dog that barks, rather the one that eyes you, then lunges.
If I were an LEO, and I was worried, I wouldn't act in a way that pissed people like that off. Hell, I wouldn't arrest someone for carry without a permit, for example. Might be one of the reasons I'm not LEO though -- why would someone willingly enforce unjust laws?
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longeyes
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The big threat isn't the militias, it's a military coup.
Can't happen here?
Can't happen here?
labgrade
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Military coup?
I dunno.
I see it much more likely as a "mere" citizenry finally deciding that we just won't take it any longer = we're disgusted.
Cops shot out of hand, for no reason other than "I wuz stopped." - or not even that.
Coupla/few pols assassinated, cops just smoked "because."
Whattheygonnado?
Obviously, crack down all the more.
There ya go .....
I dunno.
I see it much more likely as a "mere" citizenry finally deciding that we just won't take it any longer = we're disgusted.
Cops shot out of hand, for no reason other than "I wuz stopped." - or not even that.
Coupla/few pols assassinated, cops just smoked "because."
Whattheygonnado?
Obviously, crack down all the more.
There ya go .....
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