AZ Sun Devil opinion piece against arms on campus

Status
Not open for further replies.

swifteagle

Member
Joined
Oct 5, 2007
Messages
135
Location
Peoria, AZ
The Arizona Sun Devil paper had an Opinion piece this past Thursday arguing against Arizona SB 1214. It seems that they got all their information from the Brady campaign as they used a lot of their tired & completely baseless arguments against allowing adults 21 & older with CCW permits to carry on school campuses. Currently in Arizona it is illegal.

The opinion piece is titled "Aw Shoot".

At the bottom of the piece there is a link to send in a response in the form of a letter to the editor. I sent in the following response:

http://dustinsgunblog.blogspot.com/2008/02/in-response-to-opinions-aw-shoot.html


I encourage other Arizona residents or people with friends or family attending ASU to send in their responses as well.
 
That guy has a seriously misinformed and twisted sense of logic. He apparently doesn't know of the Utah CC law.

I don't live in AZ, but wow.

Come on, fighting school gun violence with more guns? That's like fighting terrorism by adding more terrorists … or combating prostitution by putting more prostitutes on the street … or fixing the economy by printing more money … or battling meth by building meth labs ... or eliminating ugliness by opening another UA campus … or … you get the point.

The lone plus side we can see for students would turn up only if prayer in school comes next. That way, we could both praise the Lord and pass the ammunition. Now how awesome would that be?
 
As an Arizona native who has fled the state in his pursuit of a higher education, I hope that perhaps I can shed some light on the matter when I say that, even among the local population, ASU isn't exactly considered the pinnacle of higher learning.

While there are of course exceptions, the student body isn't held in the highest regard, either intellectually or in maturity.
 
Quote taken from the article regarding Senate Bill 1214--
"...So far off base, in fact, that its idiocy makes us want to pistol-whip ourselves repeatedly in the face … "

my response: You don't need a law to do this to yourself. By all means, please do. I respect your decision to do so.
 
Perfect example of a subjective opinion full of emotion to back up the writer's fears.

Great objective response.

There is a report out stating that in Florida a ccw holder is 61 times less likely to commit a crime than a non-ccw holder. (from an interview on Cam and Company Thursday night)
 
It seems that they got all their information from the Brady campaign as they used a lot of their tired & completely baseless arguments against allowing adults 21 & older with CCW permits to carry on school campuses.

Leftist extremists make far better followers than leaders. They just can't seem to come up with new ideas, new approaches, new lines of thought, new ways of expressing themselves, new insights, new...
 
Are ASU police armed? Does arming of the police help combat violence?

If being armed does not protect against unlawful violence, why is the government armed? If it works for the government, why not us?

Is the basis of legislation how it will affect a cop's job? If so, should we allow the police to conduct random sweeps of the apartments of journalism students as it would make a police officer's job easier?

Should all journalism students be put in jail in case they might commit a crime in the future? Should all journalism students be on probation for life to ensure that they do not consume alcohol or illegal drugs?

If Cho could legally carry his pistol at Virginia Tech, then Virginia Tech would not be a governmentally-approved slaughter pen as others would have the means to fight back. I stand ready to demonstrate this proposition to the journalism students at any time.

The newspaper will provide the sim ammo, eye and groin protection (as they will need it) and an roundtrip airline ticket. I will bring my carry pistols and sit in class. A student journalist will attack the class with a paintball gun, I will respond to his or her attack.

Any takers, ASU? *crickets chirp*
 
ASU Pd's officers are armed, as are all other college pd's that I'm aware of in the state (ASU, UA, NAU, CAC, and MCC).
 
I attend U of A - ASU students are well-known for being idiots. Did you know that it takes an ASU student an hour and a half to watch 60 minutes?

Here is the email I sent to all of the legislators in southern AZ:

I am writing to urge you to support Senate Bill 1214.

I am a second-year law student at the University of Arizona, and have had a permit to carry a concealed weapon in Arizona since May of 2001. Because of the University’s No Weapons policy, I cannot carry a weapon while I am in class or on the campus. This policy did not stop Robert Flores, however, who shot three professors at the U of A School of Nursing on October 28, 2002. Virginia Tech also has a no weapons policy, and yet Seung-Hui Cho, with two guns, killed 32 people and wounded 17 more on that campus on April 16, 2007. We all know the story of what happened at Columbine High School.

Laws and policies that prohibit the carrying of weapons do nothing to prevent criminals and mentally-disturbed people from doing so. All they accomplish is to disarm the law-abiding citizens, and turn them into helpless victims. I do not want to rant about Second Amendment issues, like I am sure many constituents will do. Instead I would like to address the concerns of school administrators in Tucson, as reported by the Arizona Daily Star on January 25, 2008.

First of all, the administrators that raised concerns were from various K-12 school districts. It was mentioned that parents would be legitimately concerned for their children if they knew other children were carrying guns. It is a federal law that one cannot carry a weapon on those campuses, even with a concealed weapons permit. No student in grades K-12 would be able to even get a concealed weapons permit in the first place, and so this proposed law would not affect those schools. A.R.S. Section 13-3112 (E)(2) requires that one must be at least 21 years old in order to obtain a concealed weapons permit. This proposed law, then, would only affect post-high school institutions.

Sen. Aboud believes the bill should only permit teachers to carry weapons, not students. One of the purposes of allowing concealed permit holders to carry on campus is to prevent the types of tragedies that occurred at the U of A’s School of Nursing, Virginia Tech, and Columbine. The reality is that students outnumber teachers by a significant margin, and just like the police, the teachers cannot be everywhere and respond if another incident like this occurs. Plus, this would only permit teachers to carry weapons; it would not require them to, which, in reality, will mean that very few teachers will actually carry weapons. Allowing responsible, law-abiding students to also carry their concealed weapons simply increases the amount of protection available.

To get my concealed weapons permit, in addition to undergoing a criminal background check, I also had to go through a 16-hour training class, which included instruction on the various laws pertaining to gun ownership and use, and practical training for the safe handling and use of firearms. I also had to go to an 8 hour refresher course when I renewed my permit. The permit fee was $60; the fingerprint fee was $25; and the training class at the time was $75. Carrying a concealed weapon without a permit is a misdemeanor; I can tell you that it is the upstanding, law-abiding citizens that go through the time, expense and trouble to get a permit; criminals don’t give a hoot about committing a misdemeanor.

Most of the school administrators quoted by the Arizona Daily Star feel the having of guns as protection on campuses is unnecessary. Tamara Crawley, spokesperson for the Marana School District, said, “In Marana, our schools are safe. We have resources in place.” Jim Doty, Principal of Marana High School, said, “I do not feel it is necessary. . . . I have never felt that I was personally in danger at any time.” I believe the administrators and professors at the School of Nursing, Virginia Tech, and Columbine all thought the same things.

I carry a concealed gun for the same reason I carry auto and homeowner’s insurance, and for the same reason I own smoke alarms, fire extinguishers and an emergency road kit. I do not plan to use these things; I hope I never have to use these things. But the reality is, someday I might need them. And if I need them, I will desperately need them. Do not buy into the argument that we do not need guns on campuses, because of the relatively low incidents of shootings that occur. Homes rarely burn, but that does not mean we should give up our insurance, smoke alarms and fire extinguishers. I know several other law students who have a permit to carry a concealed weapon. We are all mature, stable individuals who happen to believe you can’t ever be too prepared for an emergency.

Allowing teachers and students with concealed weapons permits to carry weapons on campus will not increase incidents of violence; I truly believe Sen. Johnson and Rep. Pearce are correct in that it will actually reduce incidents of violence. Right now criminals know they are safe in using a gun in a gun-free zone, because no one else has a gun to defend themselves. If this were changed, criminals would most certainly think twice, knowing that at least someone in the room is probably armed. When a shooter goes on a rampage, like at Virginia Tech, no one is safe. The only way to protect innocent people is to stop the shooter. The police simply cannot be there at the moment they are needed; instead, they must merely respond to the 911 calls after the fact, and their job then becomes to count the bodies.

I believe allowing teachers and responsible students with CCW permits the opportunity to effectively respond to an emergency is a smart and prudent thing to do.

Thank you for your thoughtful consideration.
 
ASU Pd's officers are armed, as are all other college pd's that I'm aware of in the state (ASU, UA, NAU, CAC, and MCC).

Actually I know that MCC was only armed with Mace until just this year. Prior to this year MCC security only had a can of spice & a radio. Here is a link to the article where they discussed the new policy. The only reason they finally are armed is due to new Arizona legislation that forces all sworn officers in the state to be armed. Prior to the new legislation it was up to each college to decide if they wanted officers to have real weapons or just a can of spice.
 
Last edited:
Just glancing at the article and seeing the terrible grammar and overall writing skill of the author of this article is a testament to the caliber of students at ASU. To even post this on a web site with your school name is advertising that the students that attend this school are not very bright.
 
I'm sick of seeing all the negative editorials to this bill in the AZ Star and other local papers...

If more guns = more violence, how can they explain this:

england_crime.gif


firearmprevelance.jpg

I really wish the papers would start printing these types of graphics. And it would be nice if the antis could try to switch it up and be original for once. All their editorials are somewhere along the line of "more guns = more gun violence" or "concealed carry on campus would turn the universities into shooting galleries, and the police would have to shoot everyone" or the ever popular "college kids drink and do drugs. Do you want drunk/high students getting pissed off and having guns in their possession?" (because the drug laws clearly prevented them from doing drugs... oh wait...)

*sigh*

Are we doing anything in the activism forum to get this thing passed? I really hope it heads to the governor's desk.
 
Come on, fighting school gun violence with more guns? That's like fighting terrorism by adding more terrorists … or combating prostitution by putting more prostitutes on the street … or fixing the economy by printing more money … or battling meth by building meth labs ... or eliminating ugliness by opening another UA campus … or … you get the point.


Accept fighting terrorism with more terrorists is adding more bad guys.

If your adding CCW, your adding good guys, not more bad guys.

:banghead:
 
Bad news - there were not enough votes to pass the bill in the Senate before the deadline. The bill is dead for the year :(
 
ASU is a porn factory just outside of Phoenix. Who knew they actually called it a campus?
 
Wow~!

And, I had Arizona State University on my short list of possible colleges too
attend; many year's ago~! :scrutiny: :eek:

They went like this:

#1 choice- University Of Tennessee in Knoxville.
#2 choice- Arizona State University in Tempe.
#3 choice- LSU in Baton Rogue.

Guess what? I didn't get a chance to go to any; as I chose Uncle Sam's
U. S. Army over all three, way back there in 1965~! ;) :D
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top