I guess, since I was the one who started this thread, I should tell my bad scope story. I once had a nice little .22 I bought at a gun show. The gun was nice, a keystone with a varmint weight barrel and a thumbhole stock, a kids .22 , but a very nice one. It had one of those chi-com sks scopes on it, very blurry, bad adjustments, never held zero, complete crap. ended up trading the gun a few months later. My reason for the thread is, you always hear, "scope X is junk, you get what you pay for, buy a ZYX or just dont bother." You rarely ever hear how the guy saying this arrived at this opinion. I have owned Tasco, Bushnell, Nikon, Leupold, BSA, and Simmons, among others. All have proved servicable, some were clearer or had better this or that, but all were perfectly usable scopes. It kind of irks me when someone makes a pronouncement on something and then cannot relate how he came to this. So I figured I would see who had actually had a problem with a scope and why.