Ban era terminology question...

[ThirdShiftRich]

As I see it, as far as the AWB goes, we currently have:

Pre-Ban: Pre 1994 AWB guns
Post-Ban: Post 1994 AWB guns

If (and hopefully when) the AWB sunsets... will post ban turn into Post 2004 AWB guns and magazines? What will we label the guns/magazines produced between the years of 1994 and 2004? "AWB era"

Its all nonsense, I hope that my kids read about the AWB in their history books like I read about prohibition. I hope that they scratch their head and say "what were they thinking, that was ridiculous and unconstitutional".

 

[Telperion]

If the ban goes away, everything will just be "no-ban" -- there will no legal distinction between different self-loading rifles and pistols, and the "LEO-only" markings on newer magazines will have no force under the law.

 

[Tamara]

There will still be "pre-ban".

Prior to the '94 law, "pre-ban" referred to pre-'89 imported guns.

If the AWB goes away, it won't affect AUGs, HK's, Daewoos, AK's, Galils, Valmets...

 

[Futo Inu]

What is an AWB?

What the hell is wrong with you people? Let's go back to fundamentals here: If YOU use the bogus, made-up, sheeple-scaring words that the antis devised to trick the moderates into voting for banning your guns, then you become an unwitting advocate for their bans. It is emphatically NOT

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an "AWB"!!!! There is NO SUCH THING! Don't help the antis win their war on your guns. It's a "Homeland Defense Rifle and Full Capacity Mag Ban" or HDR ban or whatever makes more sense. Words MATTER, and using their words over and over helps them. Using OUR words over and over and over, even when it's not expedient to do so, helps US!!

Sheesh, with friends like this in the pro-RKBA movement.....

 

[Hkmp5sd]

There is NO SUCH THING!

Unfortunately, that's not true. The government created a class of firearms which they defined as "semi-automatic assault weapons." They then banned that class with a law called "The 1994 Crime Bill."

Just like the SBS, SBR, AOW or DD, the semi-automatic assault weapon is a group of firearms created by legislation and it does exist at the current time.

 

[Futo Inu]

No. The "1994 Crime Bill" exists. It does indeed make up a bogus definition of "semi-automatic assault weapons", contrary to the historical and modern definitions of the phrase "assualt weapon", because it was drafted by anti-rights idiots. But, that doesn't mean that we should adopt and use this bogus phrase/definition. In fact, to the contrary, we ought to at EACH and EVERY opportunity show that the phrase/definition is inaccurate, and instead use the true definition of what the bill actually does. If it had been named "The Machine Gun Act" and defined your H&R .22 as a machine gun, would you still refer to it as the machine gun act, or would you call them on their BS at every opportunity? If you use their words, you're helping them scare the sheeple into renewing it. If you make the extra effort required to instead supplant truly descriptive words for what the law does (accurately), then you'll be helping to win the war. It IS war, and a HUGE part of war is propoganda. Words are propoganda. Use them to OUR advantage, not theirs, please! There is no such thing as the "Assault Weapons Ban". There IS such a thing as the "Homeland Defense Rifle and Full Capacity Magazine Ban, incorrectly described by the drafters of the legislation in 1994 as banning the manufacture or import of what they misname 'assault weapons', in order to mislead the public." This longer "name" or explanation is required EACH and EVERY time the thing is mentioned (or, if you're in a hurry, for shorthand, the "Homeland Defense Rifle Ban", or simply "HDR ban"). Please don't be too lazy to use this, even if it seems redundant or unnecessary, even here on THR - there are fence-sitters and lurkers HERE! If we use OUR words, then OUR words spread to others. If we use their words, then their words spread to others. We can win the war of words if we focus on controlling the words we use. Anyone with me on this?

 

[ThirdShiftRich]

I don't ask to "fuel the anti's".. because I wouldn't do such a thing, but rather for the terminology of sales and advertising. 10 years production of anything is not a long time, if manufacturers no longer have to abide by the 10 round rule, they probably will discontinue to make those 10 round mags, and their short run of production could make them rare. There has to be a term for them. The SL8-1 comes to mind.

 

[Kharn]

After the sunset, there will be 'Pre-89' and 'Post-89' for imports and 'fully featured' and 'neutered' for semiautos. One day, like 50 years from now, neutered guns might demand a premium sorta like how un-altered Springfield '03s do now.

Kharn

 

[tyme]

Futo Inu, start talking about letting part of the 1994 crime bill sunset and you'll be branded a friend of criminals by anyone who isn't familiar with which provisions are due to sunset.

 

[gun-fucious]

I hope that an AR15 Post ban Lower reciever marked "LEO only"
will become a collectable item

 

[Futo Inu]

"Futo Inu, start talking about letting part of the 1994 crime bill sunset and you'll be branded a friend of criminals by anyone who isn't familiar with which provisions are due to sunset."

EXACTLY! That's even worse than calling it an "AWB" - precisely why it's so important to call it a Homeland Defense Rifle and Standard Capacity Mag Ban", as I said.

 

[Standing Wolf]

There is NO SUCH THING!

You're right.

One of the oldest tricks in the leftist extremist book is to define the terms of a discussion in such a way that they can't possibly lose. Who could possibly be in favor of so-called "cop killer bullets," for example?

 

[.45Ruger]

f manufacturers no longer have to abide by the 10 round rule, they probably will discontinue to make those 10 round mags, and their short run of production could make them rare.

I disagree, the 10 rounders will still be made specifically for our poor bretheren in states like CA.