BATFE attacks another one of our gunmakers

[Kimber45acp]

This time it's Tennessee Guns International.

On a similar note, does anyone know if Cavalry arms ever got their property back from THAT unjust raid?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi4lIQNDUXc

Calls and letters need to go out to our U.S. senators ASAP.

If our gunmakers are bankrupted or just plain bullied out of business, who are your kids and grandkids going to use to exercise their 2nd amendment rights? Your grandkids may be able to get a 10/22, but you'll have to tell them stories of when it was possible to get an affordable AK.

I apologize if you become sickened by the CBS affiliate's "reporter" in this story.

http://www.volunteertv.com/news/headlines/78365767.html

 

[atblis]

All sorts of wrong information in that news report.

 

[rallyhound]

I didn't see any information in either link that would tell us anything other than there is an investigation.



Seems dumb to bash the ATF when we don't know what happened.

 

[Kimber45acp]

Seems dumb to bash the ATF when we don't know what happened.

Yes, unless you take note of ATF's history of seizing a company's property and dragging them through hell for years without ever charging them (such as with Cavalry Arms and KT ordnance) and then not returning the property. If batf treated companies and people with some basic dignity and basic humanity, I would love to agree with you. But when a schoolyard bully has a history of injuring people, giving them the benefit of the doubt is unwise. ATF has been known to endlessly harass gun dealers so it can justify it's existence (remember what they did to Reds Trading post?) and make raids for the cameras so it can get funding increases.

 

[svaz]

Don't forget the Eagle Exim, Inc., debacle (google at your leisure). There's an embarrassing oopsie for ya.

 

[RP88]

I agree with Kimber. The ATF has a large track record for the aforementioned. Despite the character of the 'victims' involved, let us also not forget Waco and Ruby Ridge.

 

[dogrunner]

It isn't politically correct to state it, BUT the NRA was dead on when they characterized that agency as "jack booted thugs".

 

[Hold My Own]

I love how the reporter said the Assault Weapons ban had to do with tax stamps. That ban isn't even in effect anymore. Really, Mr. Reporter?

 

[daskro]

Glad I got my TGI AK earlier this year.

 

[Deanimator]

It isn't politically correct to state it, BUT the NRA was dead on when they characterized that agency as "jack booted thugs".

Actually, it was John Dingell, a Democrat lawmaker who first used that characterization.

 

[ChaoSS]

I agree with Kimber. The ATF has a large track record for the aforementioned. Despite the character of the 'victims' involved, let us also not forget Waco and Ruby Ridge.

Why do you put the word "victims" in quotes like that? And what was wrong with their characters anyway? They were a little bit different from Joe Average, they weren't hurting anyone, in fact, they specifically secluded themselves from the rest of society.

I didn't see any information in either link that would tell us anything other than there is an investigation.



Seems dumb to bash the ATF when we don't know what happened.

Did you not watch the youtube video? The video where it showed the ATF carting off truckloads of guns for "evidence"? Confiscating hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of dollars worth of inventory, is hardly nothing.

 

[Jim K]

FWIW, Waco started out as a show, staged to impress the new President (Clinton) with the dedication of the BATF to the gun control cause. The Branch Dividian cult had been under suspicion for years, with no action taken, but Clinton's transition team had said that the new administration would be more "gun unfriendly" and ATF set out to show what it could do. What it did, of course, was cause (directly or indirectly) the deaths of innocent people and embarrass the administration before the world. That, coupled with crude - and possibly illegal - attempts to cover up, getting the FBI involved, then illegally using the military, really damaged the ATF, FBI and federal law enforcement in general.

Jim

 

[armoredman]

That reporter needs a history lesson, fast.

 

[TexasRifleman]

What a horrible example of "journalism"..... Maybe the FCC should investigate this TV station instead...

 

[freakshow10mm]

Wasn't Cav Arms making their receivers off premises ie illegally?

 

[highorder]

Wasn't Cav Arms making their receivers off premises ie illegally?

IIRC, they were injection molding them in a different facility, then doing final assembly (sonic welding the halves, etc.) in their main facility. I think their point of contention was that the halves weren't receivers until they were assembled. Like an AR forging is just a lump of aluminum until its machined.

 

[unspellable]

The BATF

Something like Ruby Ridge was predicted at least a year before it happened. Back then the BATF was branded as a "bunch of cowboys" rather than "jack booted thugs".

In my youth I can remember a case where the BATF went to the Pennsylvania DMV for driver's licenses for the purpose of an undercover investigation and then tried to hang a dealer for accepting "phoney" ID. I'd say you're doing pretty good if you can tell a phoney license from a real one when they were both printed by the DMV.

Then there was the guy in the D.C. area they put in a wheel chair for life over a dummy hand grenade he had on his mantle.

They have a long rap shee... , er, "glorious record".

 

[Grassman]

What is it with reporters they seem to be all just a bunch of anti's...not necessarily bad journalism but VERY anti and bias.

 

[azyogi]

If you don't like the slant af the reporting don't bother to call the network they know dern well what they are doing. Call the advertisers that where on that station, tell them you don't like the slant and won't buy from people that advertise there. Enough people stop buying from this advertisments and the networks might get a clue.

 

[mlaustin]

My biggest problem is that even if they find absolutely no violations, everything is perfect...

They're never getting those guns back. At least not until they've exceeded the value of them in legal fees fighting for them. Seizure laws in this country are getting scary...

 

[Wise Lite Arms]

The topic of this thread speaks to the guns that TG makes. From what I am reading and viewed in that news report, it was the AK-74 and AMD-65 kits that TG imported that were taken away. Those AK kits seem to be what the ATF wanted. TG is still open and doing business as usual, they just cannot sell AK kits now and have stopped selling the guns they were manufacturing with those same AK kits.
Has anyone become aware of other importers having ATF/Customs problems over AK parts kits?

Regards,
Richard C. Hamer
Factory Representative

 

[dirtyjim]

a few years back tgi got a large shipment of russian tokarevs from a wholesaler in germany because you cannot import the pistol from russia. several months after they were approved for sale by the atf the atf reneged on it because they only had a halfcock for a safety.
i don't remember what happened to them after that but i think they were told they would have to fit them with a safety before they could sell them.

i waited about 2 weeks to long to order one.

 

[essayons21]

Since when does the ATF specify safety standards for firearms? Where is their statutory authority to do this?

 

[TexasRifleman]

Since when does the ATF specify safety standards for firearms? Where is their statutory authority to do this?

For imports, they do all kinds of wacky things under 922.

(1) In general.--Except as provided under paragraph (2), it
shall be unlawful for any licensed importer, licensed manufacturer,
or licensed dealer to sell, deliver, or transfer any handgun to any
person other than any person licensed under this chapter, unless the
transferee is provided with a secure gun storage or safety device
(as defined in section 921(a)(34)) for that handgun.

921 says

(34) The term “secure gun storage or safety device” means—
(A) a device that, when installed on a firearm, is designed to prevent the firearm from being operated without first deactivating the device;
(B) a device incorporated into the design of the firearm that is designed to prevent the operation of the firearm by anyone not having access to the device; or
(C) a safe, gun safe, gun case, lock box, or other device that is designed to be or can be used to store a firearm and that is designed to be unlocked only by means of a key, a combination, or other similar means.

So, they claim that this gives them the authority under (A). To disagree with them means court battles....and money.

 

[rogertc1]

TGI are great people.
http://www.volunteertv.com/news/headlines/78365767.html