Be a good witness...in CT?

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If someone with a concealed handgun were by chance at the CT school today...would his/her only role have been to get their child out and be a good witness?

There's a huge dichotomy in our own rhetoric. We, as in the gun community as a whole" talk about how "gun free zone" just create victim zones, and we always bring up that someone with a concealed gun just might have stopped a tragedy like this from happening. And then when we actually talk about what we would do if that were true and we were there, we advise each other not to do anything, and to just be a good witness.

Would you have just been a good witness today?
 
in legal rhetoric there is the term 'justified'
if you rushed into the building with a firearm, would you be 'justified' in your actions in breaking the law?


NOW....
do you know WHERE the guy is
do you know layout
do you know where the cops are, is there a 'resource' (armed cop) officer, if so, is he responding, or helping people cower?


you running INTO an active shooting, gun drawn...
make yourself a likely target, anybody with a gun and NOT a cop, will most likely be shot.
 
would his/her only role have been to get their child out and be a good witness?
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Yes, because unless he/she were breaking the law, they would have been dis-armed.
 
you running INTO an active shooting, gun drawn...
make yourself a likely target, anybody with a gun and NOT a cop, will most likely be shot
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So you'd be OK with yourself, sitting outside the school after the shooting, hearing reports of 20 dead kids, knowing you had a firearm and there was a sliver of a chance it may have been far less....but at least you made it out so you did the right thing, right?
 
Just after Columbine, my youngest daughter attended a "Sock Hop" at her grade school. Several fathers stayed around. I was among them and was legally armed. (Ironically, California has among the least restrictive CCW carry laws.)

Don't know what tools the other fathers brought, but I was doing to stop anyone harming anyone.

Whether I was motivated to protect only my child or not, the effect was the same. The net safety of all kids was greater.
 
you have ANY TRAINING
have you ever ran through a shoothouse?
do you have ANY clue what the hell is involved in clearing a place like a school

this is the SHORT
Every adult is covered by the team, any armed ones are SHOT
as for running in willie nilly
YEAH, I'd stay outside, OR get with officials/teachers and HELP as best I could, even if that involved standing at an intersection with a clear exit and making sure the kids could get out safely.


you have a death wish, and no matter how many times it's explained you are still chest beating every time this comes up.

that's OK, I liked guys like you
you ran in first, loudly and drew fire, meaning there would be less guys shooting at me...
If you REALLY feel this way, join the military, or put your butt where your mouth is and become a sworn officer.
 
If you REALLY feel this way, join the military, or put your butt where your mouth is and become a sworn officer.
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Ha ha. Already done both. But I really do appreciate you making assumptions.

Understanding that the lives of 20 children are worth more than the life of 1 29 year old guy is not chest beating. It's called being human. It's having a reaction other than an animalistic self-preservation instinct.
 
I don't see the dichotomy because I don't believe we only advise that each of us should do nothing and only be a good witness. I believe we advise each other to act only when we feel as though we have no other alternative. For some this means stay outside and tell the cops that you heard forty eight shots come from inside the building. To others this means you take your weapon and try and end the slaughter even if your life is taken doing so. Each person in those two, thought their actions were the only alternative given the situation presented.
 
Ragnar, the problem with CCW vs. cop training/military

a single guy running, with a gun, in an active fire fight, is a TARGET (nor most likely is your CCW guy got any understanding of CQB other than what he learned playing call of duty)
cops shoot other cops ALL THE TIME
same thing with the military, it happens
what makes it worse is when some random do gooder decides to join in, they can help, but just sprinting into a building gun drawn, is MUCH more likely to get you shot (and slow the team down possible costing more kids their lives) than save a single kid.

If you have had the training you claim, you know I speak the truth.
If you have the golden shot, and can intervene at the BEGINING (as in see guy with gun enter building/confront a classroom) thats different and a MUCH different dynamic than running up after the fact.

And that's VERY important to point out. Yeah, if I could get the guy at the start, hell yeah. After the shooting, police responding, a milling mass of confusion, running in gun drawn, not knowing where the guy is at....NO
 
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