Best starter 1911 for around $500-$650?

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Nickle or Stainless are great rust resisters but they also stick out like a sore thumb at night. The black matte, or parkerized are just as rust or pit resistant and hard to see in the dark. Always keep the bad guy guessing. Kimber makes a good pistol but the reviews about Taurus' and others are good too. You're set on a 1911? There are other choices out there.
 
JMHO, but I have a Springfield Loaded 9mm and an SW1911 .45 ACP; I like them both and can recommend either, but I feel the SW1911 is a better gun - skeeter_08
 
I've heard of heavy triggers on the Springfield Loaded series but then again triggers feel different to each individual. I already have a SW 686, so I'm set on a 1911 for sure and have been trying to find the right one for awhile. The look of the stainless 1911 is just a classic piece I want I suppose :) the fine balance between function and visual aesthetic. I also hear the SW1911 is comparable to Kimbers, not sure if that's true though.
 
Have both a S&W stainless 1911 and a 1st series Kimber. The S&W is a fine shooting 1911. Some "purists" balk at the use of an external extractor; however, S&W got this right unlike the Kimber attempt. I consider the S&W 1911 at least on par with the Springer Loaded's (I've had a pair of these as well).
 
I'd just like to add, STI's customer service beats the pants off both Kimber & Taurus (and there are plenty of threads to back me up on that) should you ever have a problem with your new toy.

When I bought my Spartan (my first 1911), that was a very large consideration.
 
+1 on the used Colt, otherwise the new Para GI Expert is in that price range and is nicely fitted out.
 
It is a good recommendation to buy what you want up front, since it will cost time and money to make the upgrades later. It is almost always cheaper and faster to get what you want from the factory, and it will be done by experts. However, if you are looking for an opportunity do some experimental gunsmithing then that is a different question.

The Rock Island Tactical has all the mods you want, but I don't think it comes in stainless. In general, I like stainless guns. I have an S&W 686 and S&W 4506 both in stainless. I also have a Colt 1911 Combat Elite with stainless frame and blue slide. I would rather the Colt were all blue since, to me, blue looks better on 1911's.

Rock Island and Springfield both have very good customer service reputations, as do S&W and STI. The $899 for the used Kimber is high. The TLE II is near the baseline model in the Kimber lineup. I'd easily recommend spending an extra $200 for a gun with no rust.

Rock Island and the STI Spartan both have the major parts (frame, slide, and barrel) made by the same company, Armscor, in the Philippines. Armscor has an excellent reputation, just know what you are buying. STI does have other pistols in their line-up that are completely made in Texas if that makes a difference to you. One thing to think about with the STI Spartan is that it comes with an adjustable site which has a different cut on the slide than the fixed sites. It is a big advantage to some users, but "most" 1911's don't come with an adjustable site which will limit your options down the road if you don't like them and want to change them out.

Another thing to consider is whether you want a firing pin safety (FPS) or not. Most "modern" pistols have a firing pin safety, but not all 1911's have them. Many 1911 fans refuse to own a 1911 with the firing pin safety. The RIA, Springfield, and STI don't have a FPS, while S&W and Kimber both have a FPS. Interestingly, each of of their FPS designs are unique in the 1911 world. Most other manufactures using a FPS, use the Colt Series 80 design.

There are many nice 1911's out there and many quality 1911 manufacturers. However, while they are all 1911's, there are also many different features used by the different manufactures. Some have FPS, some have full length guide rods, some have ramped barrels, some have bulled barrels, some have external extractors. You need to make sure you know what you are buying and whether those are the features you want.

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I thought Rock Island wasn't making 1911s anymore.
I believe you are thinking about Rock River Arms which suspended 1911 manufacturing about a year ago to concentrate on AR production.

Jim
 
Rock Islands are now being sold under the Citidel label. Same pistol different name on the slide.

Can you offer a source, or some kind of proof of that? Are you sure Citadel isn't just another brand name being made by Armscor? I haven't heard of the Rock Island Armory brand changing names.
 
I think you are on the right track with the Spring field Mil-Spec. It is a good quality, no frills, $500 gun that can be foundation for a great custom as time and funds permit. Some of the others such as the Taurus and Rock Island are really $350 guns with some of the extras already added to bring the price up to $500.
 
Buy what you want the first time.

I think you are on the right track with the Spring field Mil-Spec. It is a good quality, no frills, $500 gun that can be foundation for a great custom as time and funds permit. Some of the others such as the Taurus and Rock Island are really $350 guns with some of the extras already added to bring the price up to $500.

It's true that the Mil Spec Springer is a good base pistol if that's what you want. I own the Loaded model Springfield stainless. Great gun! I also own the Taurus PT1911 and a RIA Tactical among half a dozen more expensive 1911s. While it's true the RIA is a $350 gun, it's a better deal for a shooter than the Mil Spec due to the better sights, trigger and beavertail. The Taurus is every bit as good as my Loaded Springfield, and a couple hundred dollars less. Lots of first time 1911 buyers think they want a mil spec pistol. If they shoot it much they find that the tiny sights are hard to see and the web of their hand takes a beating due to the lack of an extended beavertail. By the time they get around to replacing these parts, they could have bought a pistol with all these amenities for less. I guess for someone who only kills rocks and beer cans, and fires a couple hundred rounds a year, the base 1911 would be ok. Just my opinion,------FWIW !
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STI Spartan or if you really want stainless get a used Springer Loaded. You can easily find one for $700 in great shape. It will be harder to get one for $600 but its possible. Check out gunbroker, there are tons on there right now close to your price range.

Try to buy the gun that is most like what you want to end up with. Its by far the cheapest way. Upgrading is expensive.
 
This thread is a good read. I too just purchased my first 1911. But I'm already thinking about a 2nd.

With some research for just plinking 4-5 times a year I went with the RIA 1911A1 parkerized for $400 shipped to my FFL.

I was eyeballing a nice SW 1911 SS at the local dealer but $800 including tax was out of my range. It sounds like there's some nice Colts out there for that price. Maybe next year at income tax refund time.
One can never do too much research.

Thanks for the additional info guys!!
 
Ah these price quotes are killing me, you guys are talking about $350 to $500 for some of these and I can't find, for example a springfield mil-spec for less than $625. and the RIA tactical I couldn't find for less than $520. Am I missing something? After reading everyones responses on how much money it could cost upgrading my own mil-spec and potentially botching the job, maybe I'll just fork out the extra cash for a Kimber. Now only if I could find a decent priced TLE II..
 
Para GI Expert

Danlee, Gunbroker.com has Paraordnance GI Expert listed. One was $500. Para makes a darn great 1911 too. Not sure if you've ever been on there or not, but on the left hand side, click on the words Semi-auto pistol, then go to the blank search box up top and enter GI Expert, or any other model 1911 you want to look at.
 
I'd say about 200 rounds have gone thru it and it shows a little bit of wear and tiny rust spots mostly from carrying I think. any thoughts? should I just go for it at that price?

75% or 80% of retail is a good rule of thumb for like-new, and barely used guns. That would be $825 to $880, so he's almost there. But the rust spots are troubling - I've heard on boards that this is a real problem with late model Kimbers and you have to consider if you want to buy into that potential problem.

If that's your price range, maybe consider also a new Colt XSE. Well outfitted with features and I think the new street price is just under that.
 
Keep in mind all gun prices have recently gone up. The prices you have seen are now the market price. Find a gun show if you want to save about 10% or do some haggling at the shops.

As far as adding to your 1911, its great but if you dont have a local gunsmith you trust, just the shipping to and from a good smith like Novak, will run you $50-$90.

Dont buy a Kimber for that price with rust either. I can get a brand new TLE for $900 at our shows and they are good guns. I used to want a TLE too but STI's middle end guns start at around $1000 so thats what Id prefer. If you really want a used Kimber find another one that is in better shape.

But for your needs I cannot stress enough the Springfield Loaded, new or used. Then you will have a great gun with all the options you want.
 
Also, my local gun shop dealer has a used Kimber Stainless TLE II he wants to sell me for $899, exactly HOW good of a deal is that? It's listed at the store for $1099, so he's knockin off $200. I'd say about 200 rounds have gone thru it and it shows a little bit of wear and tiny rust spots mostly from carrying I think. any thoughts? should I just go for it at that price?

I have a Pro TLE II that I paid $960 total for NIB. He's ripping you off, most dealers don't charge MSRP.
 
Ah these price quotes are killing me, you guys are talking about $350 to $500 for some of these and I can't find, for example a springfield mil-spec for less than $625. and the RIA tactical I couldn't find for less than $520. Am I missing something? After reading everyones responses on how much money it could cost upgrading my own mil-spec and potentially botching the job, maybe I'll just fork out the extra cash for a Kimber. Now only if I could find a decent priced TLE II..

http://www.sarcoinc.com/8-10-09_pgsO-P.pdf

2nd page, on the right. RIA tactical - $449.99.
 
The BIG problem with GI, mil spec, models is the sights. They suck. They are difficult to see. Eventually, you may find yourself always choosing another weapon for range shooting.

And, the beaver tail! Some people get bit by 1911s without beaver tails. If you are one of those, you won't like the GI models. It won't matter how much it costs.

I have two RIAs. The first was the mil spec model. Very dependable. I've never had a problem with it. But, it's not fun to shoot, because of the sights. The second is the tactical model. Wow! I can see the sights. I don't have to adjust my grip to protect the web of my hand. The trigger is way better, also. All for $50 more than the GI model.

I'm not saying that RIA is the best 1911 out there. But, I do believe it's the best value.
 
If you're thinking about upgrading

I would suggest do the math.

GI MilSpec (or other base model) plus beavertail (@$50), 'smth labor to have beavertail fitted ($75-125, depending), hammer (@40), trigger ($50), 'smith labor to fit trigger if needed ($30).

You've just added $200 to your "inexpensive" gun. Yes, you can stretch it out and do it piecemeal, but most 'smiths I talked to give a break on labor if you do it at one time.

I bought a Springfield WWII-style GI (not mil-spec) for $400. Wanted to get back into the 1911 game and see if I liked it, before dropping heavier money against a NIB. Didn't take me long to realize that just adding a needed ambi-thumb-safety and beavertail with corresponding hammer, I had almost added 60% to my original cost. While the Springfields make great bases for build-ups, I decided to sell it (got my $400 back) and roll it into a stainless Springer Loaded. I regret selling the GI, just to have a "beater" 1911. I do not regret selling the Gi b/c I got a Schweet gun in its place. I thought I might be able to do the build-up myself, but then again...plus, I didn't have any tools for fitting the parts (i.e., gunsmith-grade screwdrivers, stones, etc.). So, I decided to pay someone, should it become necessaary.

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