Bought some 9mm +P with a strange label
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JohnBT
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The best explanation I've seen came off another forum 5 or 6 years ago.
"Guys, this is a Law Enforcement contract overrun. Federal HST, Winchester Ranger Bonded, and now Speer Gold Dot have all found their way to retail channels in this manner. It says not for LE use because it's it's supposed to be for the contract order and since the contract buyer is not taking them it is only to be used in retail channels and not used in any other contract or by any other agency. Each contract has a specific requirement they ask for in the order. The manufacturer would like to not risk an LEO using this round and having it be outside the department requirements and the blame going to the manufacturer for such a round being outside the department requirements for a duty load. There is absolutely nothing wrong with it. The "Not for LE use" sticker is a save your ass liability sticker, so that if an LEO uses the round in a shoot, and after investigation it is deemed the ammo falls outside the very specific department requirements for velocity, they won't be liable for any damages because it was marked to not be used in that capacity.
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"Guys, this is a Law Enforcement contract overrun. Federal HST, Winchester Ranger Bonded, and now Speer Gold Dot have all found their way to retail channels in this manner. It says not for LE use because it's it's supposed to be for the contract order and since the contract buyer is not taking them it is only to be used in retail channels and not used in any other contract or by any other agency. Each contract has a specific requirement they ask for in the order. The manufacturer would like to not risk an LEO using this round and having it be outside the department requirements and the blame going to the manufacturer for such a round being outside the department requirements for a duty load. There is absolutely nothing wrong with it. The "Not for LE use" sticker is a save your ass liability sticker, so that if an LEO uses the round in a shoot, and after investigation it is deemed the ammo falls outside the very specific department requirements for velocity, they won't be liable for any damages because it was marked to not be used in that capacity.
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The Speer ammo marked as your picture shows was police ammo recalled due to occasional failures and did not meet the reliability specs of the contract. Speer said it was OK for practice but not reliable enough for duty use. It is possible that you may have an occasional failure to fire with this ammo.
JohnBT
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If it's not reliable, I wonder why the label doesn't say 'not for LE use or personal self defense use'?
In 2001-2002, Speer would recall unreliable ammo to get it off the market altogether. http://greent.com/40Page/general/speer-recall.htm
From the recall notice - "An intermittent, low frequency occurrence of primer misfires may occur under certain circumstances in several calibers..."
John
In 2001-2002, Speer would recall unreliable ammo to get it off the market altogether. http://greent.com/40Page/general/speer-recall.htm
From the recall notice - "An intermittent, low frequency occurrence of primer misfires may occur under certain circumstances in several calibers..."
John
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fastbolt
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If you really want to know about that particular case of Speer ammunition, you'll probably have to email Speer with the lot number & product stock number and ask them about it.
fastbolt
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I suppose it comes down to deciding whether you'd like to really know what you have, according to the maker ... or would accept just being reassured by being told something comforting by someone NOT connected to the company, posting on the internet. 
Think of it as being a bit like Schrödinger's cat, in that you won't actually know until you look (ask). Until then, anything is possible.
Think of it as being a bit like Schrödinger's cat, in that you won't actually know until you look (ask). Until then, anything is possible.
Speer violated contract by using a non-spec primer (not foil covered) with a supposed failure rate of 1 in 300,000 rounds. At least that's the excuse used by the govt contractor to cancel the contract. That is even after Speer made good with the correct primer (it has an "A" mark). Speer re-packaged and sold it to the puiblic. Retail price was about 10-15 cents per round.
I bought a few thousand rounds when it first came out years ago in 9mm and 40. I've shot quite alot of it without any failures to date. It is accurate and reliable in my Glocks.
BTW, what is the statistical significance of 1:300,000 or .0000033333 chance of failure?
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I bought a few thousand rounds when it first came out years ago in 9mm and 40. I've shot quite alot of it without any failures to date. It is accurate and reliable in my Glocks.
BTW, what is the statistical significance of 1:300,000 or .0000033333 chance of failure?
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Rock185
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M1key, is correct on the deal with that ammo. I used a fair amount of it when it was available. Never an issue of any kind. Wish I had more...
earlthegoat2
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Right. Like any manufacturer is going to fully recall a huge lot of ammo when they can still sell it as "practice" ammo.
The stuff sells itself. No one will care if there is a failure in 100 rounds let alone 300,000 as long as it is actual ammo that they can shoot and buy off a shelf.
The stuff sells itself. No one will care if there is a failure in 100 rounds let alone 300,000 as long as it is actual ammo that they can shoot and buy off a shelf.
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