Bowen's new improvement to fixed-sight guns.

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There's an article up on Gunblast regarding a new Bowen SP101 project:

http://gunblast.com/Bowen-SP101.htm

While the gun is neat, think beyond that: what else could these sights be fitted to?

Looks to me like a fairly easy way to update the sights on all sorts o' critters...I find myself pondering what that rear would look like on a New Vaquero fr'instance...

Or various S&Ws...or...get the idea?

I checked Bowen's parts page and these sight parts aren't on it - yet? He DOES sell various other sights, front and rear.
 
Yeah I saw the link on bowen's site of the K frame with those sights and got really excited, thought about upgrading my M65LS! Until I got a price quote.

I'm sure it's worth it to someone, though. Very good idear. Maybe if they get enough interest they could get the rear sight produced for them instead of manufacturing it themselves which I think is the major part of the cost.

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He has a picture on there somewhere of that high visibility fixed sight on a Vaquero. He said it didn't look "right" on a single action so he concentrates on offering them for DA revolvers. Better sights at a very high price.

Ross Carter once had a similar one but no longer lists it.
 
Seems to me somewhere on the web I saw a picture of the sight fitted to a N frame, perhaps a Model 58. Wonder what he wants for the sight? Might be cheaper, say a SP-101, to fit a "Rough Country" sight that he makes for the S&W and have a neat little 3" kit gun.
 
From the article:

All this may seem like overkill on a "snubby", but Bowen shares our belief that serious revolvers should be seriously accurate. Sometimes field or defensive situations require long-range accuracy, and this is where the "Perfected SP101" shines. As Hamilton says, "We mean for people to be able to hit what they're aiming at with these guns. Pocket revolvers have always had an undeserved reputation for poor accuracy and a general uselessness beyond six feet. Just doesn't have to be that way."

Applause!!!! Absolutely! This is why I had a black sight with elevation bar dove tailed into my little M85 Taurus stainless UL. I can see it better, I can shoot it better, and the elevation wire lets me adjust for light loads or shoot heavy loads accurately at extended ranges.

Now, on my SP101, I've often though it'd be the ideal outdoor revolver were it not for the fixed sights and lack of ability to regulate between .38 and .357 loads. When I got mine, I found something weird and unique about it, it shoots .38 wadcutter to the same point of aim it/point of impact as the 140 grain .357 carry loads and 180 grain outdoor loads I have. THAT us highly unusual. Now, I've got to decide if I really wanna sell this SP101 back to my son-in-law as I'd told him or buy him a new one. ROFL I'd thought, too, about buying a 3". Now, with Bowan's system, the 3" sounds like it could be the WAY TO GO for a light packin' outdoor gun that could shoot with extreme accuracy. The little 2.3" gun will hold 180 grain loads into 2" at 25 yards and the wadcutters into about 2.5". The combination of decent sights and a 3" tube for added sight radius and I think that could shrink significantly for field use. AND, out of that short barrel, my 180 grain Hornady XTP loaded over 13.8 grains (very hot) of AA#9 is pushin' 1304 fps/662 ft lbs. Add nearly an inch to the barrel and I think it'd be closer to 700 ft lbs. It pushes 785 ft lbs out of my 6.5" Blackhawk.

Think of the utility of a little gun like this for a back packer, general outdoor knock around. The only thing I wish is that it had adjustments on the rear sight so that I could regulate in the field for wadcutters (small game) or magnums. Really, though, my 4" Taurus M66 is about as light to tote and OWB in a flap style holster on a gun belt, heck, it's no biggy. However, I don't wanna shoot those hellahot 180 grain loads in a K frame sized gun. The SP101 is as strong as an L frame, heck, maybe an N frame. The thing's the proverbial tank. AND, I often am carrying my SP101 IWB anyway when I'm down at my place checking the hog trap or working on something in the field. I have to go get the Taurus and gunbelt and put it on when I get there, more convenient to just carry the SP101.

So, thanks to this thread, I have other options to mull over. :banghead: BTW, imagine deer and hog hunting with an SP101. LOL!
 
Another ingenious solution to a non-existant problem. Where fixed sights were designed to have a non-snag, low profile contour they have added the unwanted feature of an adjustable sight that rises above the frame which could snag on things.
 
As much as I like and prefer a fixed sight gun for carry, one of these SP101 setups would be a great "only gun. It would be able to digest the heaviest of loads and still be adjustable to point of aim.

This is not that obtrusive
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I like this.
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This could be a great gun
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Another ingenious solution to a non-existant problem. Where fixed sights were designed to have a non-snag, low profile contour they have added the unwanted feature of an adjustable sight that rises above the frame which could snag on things.

Just depends on the job of the gun and whether carry is more important to you than actually hitting something. Heck, I have adjustables on my 3" M66 Taurus and it carries just fine, thank you very much, and draws fine from IWB without any more snag than a M65 with fixed sights would have.

I'd have my SP101 done with these sights to make it more shootable. At 30 yards, a rabbit's head is a pretty small target which demands precision. If you never step foot out of the concrete jungle, I reckon you wouldn't have use for such. But, as an outdoorsman, this little gun with this modification is a great idea! And, I mean, it ain't like an SP101 is a reasonable pocket carry gun. It's going to be in a holster on a hip anyway, whether IWB or OWB, and I don't find that any adjustable sight is in the way when carried other than in a pocket. I have a nice Ultralite .38 for pocket carry. I cannot think of a better, more appropriate firearm for a back packer in black bear country, for instance, than this little easy to tote firearm with 3 1/16" barrel and this sight mod. It would be near ideal for an outdoorsman's revolver.
 
I prefer not to have protuding metal objects on my self-defense weapon. It's not for me. My three inch GP100 was purchased becuase it did not have adjustable sights. It draws so quickly without snags...and, I practice instinctive shooting from the hip (much like flipping a frisbee)...and if the self-defense situation permits, I would bring the weapon up just below eye sight for point shooting. Now...I'm certain some people want this on their P3AT...those are the guys that have lasers attached to them. Makes one wonder...
 
Something like that is probably what the SP-101 should have come with in the first place.

I am a proponent of good sturdy fixed sights (KISS!) on a working gun, but halfway through my career I switched from a Ruger Service Six to a Security Six. I liked the slightly higher front sight that was easier to pick up fast. As for delicacy, LEO guns get banged around considerably coming in and out of jail lock boxes, and even with care mine got its share of bumps and bangs. Zero problems, ever. S&W sights were mounted a little more delicately, but that's manageable with loc-tite and some "melting" with a file.

Push come to shove, if I needed the gun it was going to get used--front sight, rear sight, or no sights. I suspect that the job would get done, from habit and muscle memory, if nothing else.

Otherwise I never saw any difference at all.
 
Now that is sweet! And those sights are fantastic! They fix the single greatest problem with fixed sighted, stainless steel, S&Ws and Rugers. They are very visible, but still low profile and sturdy. Bowen even offers offset rear sights!
 
I'd not want this done to my 2.25" snubbie, but if I can imagine a 3-inch SP101 with Bowen's modifications replacing my 4-inch GP100 for woods carry. Hmmm.
 
"The basic SW04 sight pkg. with square-notch/white-outline rear and white-line front blades is $295 installed and regulation to your choice of ammo. Add $50 for steel barreled guns."

Geez, by the time you pay airmail both ways, $400 for a set of fixed sights. They better be good.
 
I was quoted 30% more than that for a K-frame...

Still, I guess I'd have a really cool M65-LS. Maybe if I win the lottery.
 
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