Brighton boy, 11, is shot in face
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Lonestar49
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Another reason I/we never had kids.. But, for anyone that does, IMHO, as an gun-owing adult, either CCW it with (on your person) you at home, or if not, put any guns (pistols) locked in a safe, or rifles in a locked closet and, you carry the only keys to that closet at all times. As young kids learn fast where one's high-hidden or, low-hidden, places for their weapons are, that many think are not seen or known by one's children and is safe and out of sight but, for a child's, quick, eyes, and curiosity, not out of mind.
I just couldn't imagine the guilt that goes with such an accident, but it's got to be a, 2-edged sword, slow death.
LS
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Another reason I/we never had kids.. But, for anyone that does, IMHO, as an gun-owing adult, either CCW it with (on your person) you at home, or if not, put any guns (pistols) locked in a safe, or rifles in a locked closet and, you carry the only keys to that closet at all times. As young kids learn fast where one's high-hidden or, low-hidden, places for their weapons are, that many think are not seen or known by one's children and is safe and out of sight but, for a child's, quick, eyes, and curiosity, not out of mind.
I just couldn't imagine the guilt that goes with such an accident, but it's got to be a, 2-edged sword, slow death.
LS
TexKettering
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I'm more for the educating your kids on what guns are and the dangers involved with them.
Why hide the guns from them? Not all guns should be locked away in safes, IMO. A .38 revolver sounds like a night-stand gun to me.
Kids are sneaky and will likely find them and when they do, they won't know how to act around them. They're not stupid, if you tell them how to act around them and what do to when they see one, odds are they will obey.
Why hide the guns from them? Not all guns should be locked away in safes, IMO. A .38 revolver sounds like a night-stand gun to me.
Kids are sneaky and will likely find them and when they do, they won't know how to act around them. They're not stupid, if you tell them how to act around them and what do to when they see one, odds are they will obey.
There are way to many parents out there that make the claim, "My son/daughter would never touch a gun......
Well there are just to many examples of how poor a statement that is. I love my children/Grand children. but kids will be kids and once the gun goes off.......
A gun safe is the logical solution.
Well there are just to many examples of how poor a statement that is. I love my children/Grand children. but kids will be kids and once the gun goes off.......
A gun safe is the logical solution.
"odds" are not good enough.
Nobody should have an unsecured gone in a home with an 11yr old.
makes us look like un-edumacated rednecks.
Pony up the $50 for a safe next to your bed or keep your gun on your person if you feel the need to at home.
This is unexcuseable.
I dont care what your pappy or granpappy did, anyone who trusts a a 10-12 year old kid with a loaded gun by himself is a moron.
Give them guidance, supervision, enjoy the hobby, the lock the things away when you are not there and with them.
Nobody should have an unsecured gone in a home with an 11yr old.
makes us look like un-edumacated rednecks.
Pony up the $50 for a safe next to your bed or keep your gun on your person if you feel the need to at home.
This is unexcuseable.
I dont care what your pappy or granpappy did, anyone who trusts a a 10-12 year old kid with a loaded gun by himself is a moron.
Give them guidance, supervision, enjoy the hobby, the lock the things away when you are not there and with them.
DoubleTapDrew
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+1. Education removes the curiosity. I had access to at least one all throughout my childhood. Knew where it was, knew not to touch them unsupervised, and knew to treat them like I was handling the Lord's fine china when I did. Also knew not to show/mention to friends because people who didn't grow up around them tend to become idiots around guns and bad things happen.
Lonestar49
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I can agree, but
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But, one's kid may know what to do, and what not to do, but kids are kids, and can "be kids", and with other kids, may lose control of a situation, such as, being unsupervised, and with foolish pride, show his buddy's his Dad's gun, and without thinking, hand it over to his best pal to check out.. then the problem is out of his knowledgeable hands and control.
Kinda like, yea, your kids, all kids, know what their parents cars and trucks do, and the rules of the road thru observation and road-talk with their parents, and I'm talking about "hundreds of hours in a car" yet, if you believe they know the rules, the dangers of speeding, running a light, etc., then why don't trusting parents just leave the keys in their cars, parked inside their locked (remote-controlled) garages?
Temptation works funny things, not only on kids, but on adults as well..
I don't have all the answers here, but I know what a clever kid I was, and yes, I got caught here and there, and my Dad put the fear of God into me, but that was "after the fact".. Luckily in my case, no harm or damage occurred.
And I agree, a Parents gun on their nightstand, or in a draw of their nightstand while their there, for bed, is fine but, IMHO, not during the time that one can be out mowing the lawn, or going to the store, etc., as Cats may have 9 lives but, we're not so lucky and, just like most wouldn't leave their keys in their cars, safe in the locked garage, I would not leave a gun loaded, unattended, even if "my kids were gun-educated" with "other kids around" (even if they were my own) but, it gets quicker when their little friends are visiting them at one's house, as kids are kids, and "make little mistakes" than can become big ones fast. That's just fact of kids growing up.
I think this case above, is a case of uneducated kids, and loose supervision as well, no different than taking one's eyes off a crawling child for just 5 mins, and they fall into pools, spas, under cars wheels, etc.
I've only known 2 adults with guns and kids, when I grew up, and both were LEO's, and those kids never talked about guns, I never saw one in either of their houses, except when their Dad's were going to work, in uniform, gun holstered, and their dad's were "strict" and you just didn't "break their house, or ground-rule, laws.
LS
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But, one's kid may know what to do, and what not to do, but kids are kids, and can "be kids", and with other kids, may lose control of a situation, such as, being unsupervised, and with foolish pride, show his buddy's his Dad's gun, and without thinking, hand it over to his best pal to check out.. then the problem is out of his knowledgeable hands and control.
Kinda like, yea, your kids, all kids, know what their parents cars and trucks do, and the rules of the road thru observation and road-talk with their parents, and I'm talking about "hundreds of hours in a car" yet, if you believe they know the rules, the dangers of speeding, running a light, etc., then why don't trusting parents just leave the keys in their cars, parked inside their locked (remote-controlled) garages?
Temptation works funny things, not only on kids, but on adults as well..
I don't have all the answers here, but I know what a clever kid I was, and yes, I got caught here and there, and my Dad put the fear of God into me, but that was "after the fact".. Luckily in my case, no harm or damage occurred.
And I agree, a Parents gun on their nightstand, or in a draw of their nightstand while their there, for bed, is fine but, IMHO, not during the time that one can be out mowing the lawn, or going to the store, etc., as Cats may have 9 lives but, we're not so lucky and, just like most wouldn't leave their keys in their cars, safe in the locked garage, I would not leave a gun loaded, unattended, even if "my kids were gun-educated" with "other kids around" (even if they were my own) but, it gets quicker when their little friends are visiting them at one's house, as kids are kids, and "make little mistakes" than can become big ones fast. That's just fact of kids growing up.
I think this case above, is a case of uneducated kids, and loose supervision as well, no different than taking one's eyes off a crawling child for just 5 mins, and they fall into pools, spas, under cars wheels, etc.
I've only known 2 adults with guns and kids, when I grew up, and both were LEO's, and those kids never talked about guns, I never saw one in either of their houses, except when their Dad's were going to work, in uniform, gun holstered, and their dad's were "strict" and you just didn't "break their house, or ground-rule, laws.
LS
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MachIVshooter
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I agree completely. When I was growing up, we could have accessed my fathers guns any time. But we knew two things; One, they are not toys and two, if we touched them without his permission we would, well.....we really didn't know what would happen and really didn't want to find out.
Gaucho Gringo
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When I was growing up in the 50's and 60's I knew where every gun my dad had and where it was. But I never would have even thought about touching them because he said not to. My dad was a Marine Sgt in WW2 & Korea, he spent over two years in the Solomon Islands in the South Pacific and I often said I grew up in Marine boot camp. Later in life I learned the people who worked for him were deathly afraid of him. I never doubted he loved me, just don't cross him. When I was 12 he gave me the Winchester model 06 22 rifle his dad gave him when he was 12. The rifle and ammo were in my closet after that and nothing happened. My friends and I would go out shooting when my dad could take us and when we turned 16 and got our driver's licenses and cars we would go with whoever had a car that day. We never did anything to cause a problem. Unfortunately, I think memories like this are becoming less frequent in today's world.
Dark_Harvest
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I second everything GrauchoGringo just said, only move the timeline to 70's and 80's... hahaha... My dad was ex-military, drafted in '69, and had a long career in munitions testing afterward. i was around it all the time, and darn well knew to respect it!!! i had the 4 rules DRILLED into me from before i can even remember. I always knew where the guns were, and where the ammo was (not the same place...), and i *never* crossed that line. like graucho said, "boot camp" it was. didn't want to find out what happened if i screwed up!
Education, and respect for that education, is key. If you choose to have a child, you have to also choose to EDUCATE that child. big responsibility, and i see more and more people not accept it, and blame inanimate objects for their lack of raising their own children. it's sad and sickening at the same time... i feel sorry for those kids, i really do... they deserve better.
Education, and respect for that education, is key. If you choose to have a child, you have to also choose to EDUCATE that child. big responsibility, and i see more and more people not accept it, and blame inanimate objects for their lack of raising their own children. it's sad and sickening at the same time... i feel sorry for those kids, i really do... they deserve better.
DWARREN123
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Children and parents need to be educated on gun safety.
scurtis_34471
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My hanguns are always in a steel lock-box unless they are being carried. I don't lock up my rifles at this point, but I also don't leave them loaded. My youngest child is 2 1/2, so I'm not exactly worried about her finding the ammo, loading a rifle, etc. My oldest child is 9 and is an avid shooter who knows and follows the 4-rules like second nature. She likes to go shooting, but otherwise finds guns to be kind of mundane and boring. I'm not that worried about her around guns. Add in the fact that we never leave the kids home alone and its pretty much all good. My bigger concern will come when she is older and there is potential for her to be home alone with other kids. I trust her. I don't trust them. That's why I'm going to buy a gun safe some time in the next year and lock EVERYTHING up.
hrgrisso
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This is a tragedy and it's this kind of tragedy that we as gun owners can't afford to have happen. Sadly I don't think it's the gun nuts that we have to worry about. Many have stated before they didn't have kids because it would cut into their gun time/money...
But it's the random guy who goes out on a whim and buys 1 or two guns. Never shoots them, but keeps them loaded and not locked up. You know whom I'm talking about, the guy who says "Why should I buy a safe for 2 guns?"
I like to think that the majority of gun owners (I mean nutz) are responsible owners who take steps to prevent this.
I personally keep three guns loaded in my house. None is readily available to prying fingers. With the advent of quick access safes like the GunVault I get to have my loaded safe gun without leaving it accessible for my kids. I'm not condeming those that do, but I love my kids too much NOT to spend 90 bucks on one!
We need a concerted effort to convince EVERYONE in the gun community to practice safe gun storage and placement, i.e. lock em up, leave them unloaded or as has been said, on your person where kids can't get to them. Personally I'm a fan of number 3.
This is a tragedy and it's this kind of tragedy that we as gun owners can't afford to have happen. Sadly I don't think it's the gun nuts that we have to worry about. Many have stated before they didn't have kids because it would cut into their gun time/money...
But it's the random guy who goes out on a whim and buys 1 or two guns. Never shoots them, but keeps them loaded and not locked up. You know whom I'm talking about, the guy who says "Why should I buy a safe for 2 guns?"
I like to think that the majority of gun owners (I mean nutz) are responsible owners who take steps to prevent this.
I personally keep three guns loaded in my house. None is readily available to prying fingers. With the advent of quick access safes like the GunVault I get to have my loaded safe gun without leaving it accessible for my kids. I'm not condeming those that do, but I love my kids too much NOT to spend 90 bucks on one!
We need a concerted effort to convince EVERYONE in the gun community to practice safe gun storage and placement, i.e. lock em up, leave them unloaded or as has been said, on your person where kids can't get to them. Personally I'm a fan of number 3.
TexKettering
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Are you the only one that is able to open it? Can you configure it to allow others to open it?
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