Bullet shape for 30-30 Tubular Magazine?

[Rule3]

Not being much of a lever gun shooter and re loader. I get confused over bullet shape that is safe for tube magazines?

I have a Marlin 357 that I just shoot lead flat nose. I also have LFN for the 30=30 but want some Jacketed bullets. I seem to remember calling Hornady on the 357 and they said the regular XTP was OK. But I tend to forget things now

For the 30-30 is a Hornady Interlock 150 gr RN Lead point safe? I would think it is made for the lever gun but not sure. Soft enough nose to not bang a primer??

Or, do I need a full flat nose??

http://www.hornady.com/store/30-Cal-.308-150-gr-RN/

Thanks

 

[oneounceload]

flat nose is what you want

 

[Torian]

Not being much of a lever gun shooter and re loader. I get confused over bullet shape that is safe for tube magazines?

I have a Marlin 357 that I just shoot lead flat nose. I also have LFN for the 30=30 but want some Jacketed bullets. I seem to remember calling Hornady on the 357 and they said the regular XTP was OK. But I tend to forget things now

For the 30-30 is a Hornady Interlock 150 gr RN Lead point safe? I would think it is made for the lever gun but not sure. Soft enough nose to not bang a primer??

Or, do I need a full flat nose??

http://www.hornady.com/store/30-Cal-.308-150-gr-RN/

Thanks

The soft polymer tipped LEVERevolution bullets are fine for a lever action...in fact they were designed for them. Otherwise, it is not advisable or safe to stack pointed bullets on top of primers under recoil.

http://www.hornady.com/store/30-30-Win-160-gr-FTX-LEVERevolution/

 

[Walkalong]

Round point lead bullets have been used in the .30-30 forever. That is what that bullet looks like. I would only be hesitant in the lead tip was so short it might not give enough.

Lead alloy core is tough enough for any game.

I do not know what that means, but it might be too tough a bullet for .30-30. I would ask Hornady if they think it is suitable.

 

[Rule3]

Yes,these bullets are round nose with a lead tip

They are not pointed.

It's a matter of what is available. Yes, flat nose would be preferred or the new flex points but they are not around.

 

[ReloaderFred]

You definitely don't want pointed bullets in a tubular magazine. I was at a SASS match earlier this month where a round detonated in the tube of a replica Winchester 1873 rifle. Luckily, the shooter wasn't injured and due to the light load, damage was minimal, but the most important piece of luck was it was the last round in the magazine (first round loaded) and the magazine spring and follower took up most of the force.

Hope this helps.

Fred

 

[rcmodel]

RN is fine.

As walkalong said, they have been used for a century.


The Hornady #3005 is a 150 grain RN designed for the 30-30.
The Hornady #3060 170 grain is a FP, but more to end up with a functional OAL length then safety.

The Hornady #3035 is a 150 RN designed for 30-06 / magnum class velocity.
Two potential problems there.
1. It is too heavily constructed to perform reliably at 30-03 velocity.
2. The crimp cannulure appears to be slightly further back on the bullet, and it may be too long to feed in a lever gun when crimped for a tube magazine..

rc

 

[Water-Man]

Federal 30-30 FN or RN is another option.

 

[HOOfan_1]

The bullet you linked in the OP is designed specifically for .30-30 tubular magazines

http://www.hornady.com/store/30-Cal-.308-150-gr-RN/

The Hornady #3005 is a 150 grain RN designed for the 30-30.
The Hornady #3060 170 grain is a FP, but more to end up with a functional OAL length then safety.

The Hornady #3035 is a 150 RN designed for 30-06 / magnum class velocity.
Two potential problems there.
1. It is too heavily constructed to perform reliably at 30-03 velocity.
2. The crimp cannulure appears to be slightly further back on the bullet, and it may be too long to feed in a lever gun when crimped for a tube magazine..

rc

#3005 seems to be a 100 gr. .308 bullet
http://www.hornady.com/store/30-Cal-.308-100-gr-Short-Jacket/

the one linked in the OP is #3035 and their "related item link" is for .30-30 brass and dies

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/38...-308-diameter-150-grain-round-nose-box-of-100

 

[Rule3]

RN is fine.

As walkalong said, they have been used for a century.


The Hornady #3005 is a 150 grain RN designed for the 30-30.
The Hornady #3060 170 grain is a FP, but more to end up with a functional OAL length then safety.

The Hornady #3035 is a 150 RN designed for 30-06 / magnum class velocity.
Two potential problems there.
1. It is too heavily constructed to perform reliably at 30-03 velocity.
2. The crimp cannulure appears to be slightly further back on the bullet, and it may be too long to feed in a lever gun when crimped for a tube magazine..

rc

OK I am confused now.

The Hornady #3005 is a 100 gr bullet short jacket. So assuming it is just a typo, the 150 gr RN (3035) you say will end up to long for a tube, to feed correctly?

 

[rcmodel]

No, you are not confused, I am.

I looked at the manual a while ago, and looking at the 150, typed the 100 SJ item number.

The #3035 should work for you.

rc

 

[Rule3]

The blind leading the visually impaired.

With no disrespect to visually impaired individuals. I worked with several and they have a sense of humor.

Guy I worked (State of Fl) with was declared legally blind, he gets a free lifetime fishing AND hunting license. He thought that was great!

 

[45lcshooter]

Round nose(lead exposed) or flat nose(lead exposed) i reload with both those bullet. Been doing it over and over and over, since i started reloading. and 30-30 was the first gun i reloaded for, now 15 calibers later. addictive. haha

 

[maxyedor]

That Hornady #3035 is what I load for my lever guns, with some IMR 3031 behind them. Great round IMHO! Soft shooting and accurate, and as a side benefit, they're pretty cheap too.

 

[Mule]

My favorite 30-30 projectile is the Sierra 125gr FPHP. Devastating on Missouri Whitetail. Also shot well from an SKS in 7.62 X 39.

At one time I was loading a 135gr pointed Sierra bullet intended for 30 caliber single shot pistols. My Marlin became a two-shooter. One in the tube and one in the chamber. Never more than one round in the magazine. Good groups and meat in the freezer. Unfortunately the 135gr bullet is no longer produced

 

[Clark]

a) There was some wildcat lever in 416 or 450 or something that had a tube fire in Alaska from pointed bullets hitting the primer.
b) No one disputes that the flat pointed bullets made for the 25-20 are superfluous.
C) But the 30-30 is in between and in 15 years on the internet I have yet to see a calculation or a test to see if the 30-30 needs rounded or soft tipped bullets.

I have an idea how to design a test to answer the questions:
With the projectile and gas velocity and mass and the rifle mass, calculate the rife's free recoil velocity.
Calculate how far something would need to fall to reach that speed.
Buy a tube.
Drop the ammo onto a firing pin from that height.
Go higher and higher until one goes off.
Calculate the kinetic energy required to set off a rifle primer this way.
Research every tube feed rifle's weight, cartridge, and number of rounds in the tube.
Calculate if ANY production lever rifle with a tube is remotely capable of setting off a round in the tube.
Do all this work without a purchase order, and come back here and report

 

[Walkalong]

Or just go with the old wisdom of using FN or RN lead bullets in tubular magazines and be safe.

 

[Rule3]

Or just go with the old wisdom of using FN or RN lead bullets in tubular magazines and be safe.

But the question still remains is the jacketed lead RN safe?

To Me the front top end of the bullet is rather large and larger than a primer, so I do not see how it can indent a primer.
But I am not always right, just never wrong.

Except with SWMBO, in that case, she is always right

 

[herrwalther]

For handloads I use Hornady FTX LR bullets for the .35. They are pretty pricey to buy as factory ammunition but RN or FN will be cheaper if you are buying more than a few boxes.

 

[89blazin]

One can also load a nice 150-170gr SPBT and put 1 in the chamber and 1 in the mag. This makes the 30-30 a 300 yd. shooter same as loading the polymer tipped 160 gr. Hornadys.

 

[Rule3]

Per a e mail to Hornady Tech Support. The bullets (in first post) RN lead tip are made for the 30-30 tube magazine. So it is a go.

 

[Walkalong]

But the question still remains is the jacketed lead RN safe?

No it doesn't, jacketed soft nose bullets with a RN profile are just as safe. I meant those as well, but did not word it carefully enough. The point being soft lead, either round or flat, against the other round.

The bullets (in first post) RN lead tip are made for the 30-30 tube magazine. So it is a go

Good news.