plodder
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I just received notification that Minnesota no longer recognizes the Utah CC permit. Now I either need to get a MN CCW or a CCW permit from a state that MN recognizes. (unfortunately, WI is not one of those either)
bummer in the upper Midwest
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SwaneeSR
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When I got the MN CCW, I stayed for a Utah class in addition. So I hold both states.
I think between the two I am well covered.
Am I correct?
I think between the two I am well covered.
Am I correct?
CountGlockula
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TX did the same thing a few years ago. I let my UT permit expire. I did take my UT class with a fellow member here. Great experience!
Florida or Arizona would add NM and SC. Be aware of two things:
1) some states only afford reciprocity to resident permits, so there might be some states that won't accept your Utah. PA has been doing this to the point that even though I have NY, UT, FL, and AZ I couldn't carry there. I had to drive 3 hrs to Erie, PA to get one. Now that the anti-gun attorney general of PA has been charged with a couple of felonies, maybe that will change.
2) reciprocity agreements change periodically by adding or subtracting. I got AZ so I'd have NV, but a month later NV no longer accepted it. That was close to two years ago. Now , recently, they added it back.
The point is that you want redundancy in case a change slips by you. The more you travel and carry, the more important multiple permits are.
Also states have different laws that can trip you up. MD has arrested people when they found a single empty case in the car because they consider it ammo! OH is the only state where you have to prove self defense; all other states put the burden on the prosecution. I recommend that anyone who travels should read the book Self Defense in 50 states.
1) some states only afford reciprocity to resident permits, so there might be some states that won't accept your Utah. PA has been doing this to the point that even though I have NY, UT, FL, and AZ I couldn't carry there. I had to drive 3 hrs to Erie, PA to get one. Now that the anti-gun attorney general of PA has been charged with a couple of felonies, maybe that will change.
2) reciprocity agreements change periodically by adding or subtracting. I got AZ so I'd have NV, but a month later NV no longer accepted it. That was close to two years ago. Now , recently, they added it back.
The point is that you want redundancy in case a change slips by you. The more you travel and carry, the more important multiple permits are.
Also states have different laws that can trip you up. MD has arrested people when they found a single empty case in the car because they consider it ammo! OH is the only state where you have to prove self defense; all other states put the burden on the prosecution. I recommend that anyone who travels should read the book Self Defense in 50 states.
ljnowell
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They decided to honor my IL permit now too. I think that brings our IL CCL up to 25 states.
treebound
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This gets very convoluted very quickly, and apparently can change overnight at times.
Re: the 50 states book, do you mean "Self-defense laws of all 50 states" by Atty. Vilos? Looks like it has a 2013 2nd edition, which seems likely to be out of date already based upon the above comments.
And that "empty case" law could be a real concern. I wonder if it would stick if someone had to escalate it to a Federal court.
Re: the 50 states book, do you mean "Self-defense laws of all 50 states" by Atty. Vilos? Looks like it has a 2013 2nd edition, which seems likely to be out of date already based upon the above comments.
And that "empty case" law could be a real concern. I wonder if it would stick if someone had to escalate it to a Federal court.
If it's the one with the red cover, that's the book. Even if some laws have changed, it's worth reading to scare the bejesus out of anyone that is too casual about defending themselves. People that think they are justified in killing only to find themselves living in a cell because it's not OK to chase a home invader and shoot him in the back. It's not OK to set up a trap and kill a kid.
The book was a real eye opener to me. I decided that the default response, when you are not familiar with the local law, should be to avoid a bad situation and if in one, get away. Do everything you can to avoid shooting. If you can't, then shoot.
As far as the empty case found in a car (are you sure that there isn't one single case rattling around under a car seat?), federal court would be in that court district that the state is in, so it's real possible that their verdict would mirror the area sentiment, especially in those mostly anti-gun states near MD. Of course, equating an empty case with live ammo is really stupid.
The book was a real eye opener to me. I decided that the default response, when you are not familiar with the local law, should be to avoid a bad situation and if in one, get away. Do everything you can to avoid shooting. If you can't, then shoot.
As far as the empty case found in a car (are you sure that there isn't one single case rattling around under a car seat?), federal court would be in that court district that the state is in, so it's real possible that their verdict would mirror the area sentiment, especially in those mostly anti-gun states near MD. Of course, equating an empty case with live ammo is really stupid.
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