Buying a Handgun in Kansas and transfer to Missouri

[Jonesy421]

Hello all, New here and to gun ownership. I am buying a 9MM from a person in Kansas and I live in Missouri, what do I need to do to be transferred to me in Missouri. I have been around guns in my past(growing up in small town KS)
Thank you for your input

 

[1KPerDay]

Transaction needs to go through a Federal Firearms Licenced dealer (FFL) in your state. Find one locally that charges $25 or less (In my opinion), and ask the seller to ship (legally) to him. He'll let you know when it comes in, and you go through the normal firearms purchase requirements for your state with him. You'll need to send the seller a copy of your dealer's FFL. Some FFLs won't accept transfers from non-FFL holders, so ask and make sure. (in some cases your FFL only accepts shipments from other FFL holders. In that case the shipping/overall costs may be higher because the seller will have to pay an FFL on his end to accept it and ship it).

 

[bearcreek]

Jonesy, You cannot legally buy a handgun private sale from a person who is not a citizen of the same state you are. You can't buy it and then have it "transferred" to you. It needs to go through an FFL and in the case of a handgun it has to be an FFL in your state.

 

[1KPerDay]

You can't buy it and then have it "transferred" to you.

Uh...

probably a semantics issue.

 

[bearcreek]

Uh...

probably a semantics issue.

Hopefully thats the case. Here's a link to the ATF's FAQ's regarding sales between unlicensed persons.
https://www.atf.gov/content/firearm...ns-unlicensed-persons#gca-unlicensed-transfer

 

[1KPerDay]

Q: May an unlicensed person obtain a firearm from an out-of-State source if the person arranges to obtain the firearm through a licensed dealer in the purchaser’s own State?

A person not licensed under the GCA and not prohibited from acquiring firearms may purchase a firearm from an out-of-State source and obtain the firearm if an arrangement is made with a licensed dealer in the purchaser’s State of residence for the purchaser to obtain the firearm from the dealer.

Isn't that what I said?

 

[bearcreek]

Isn't that what I said?

Yes it was. I think we may have had a bit of a communication mixup here. I wrote my original response to the OP at the same time you did. I hadn't seen your post yet when I originally posted mine. My posting of the FAQ's from the ATF was not meant to discredit what you said, only to validate it from the official source.

 

[loose noose]

I know in Nevada, I can purchase a firearm from a friend in Arizona, and have it transferred for free at the local Police Department. Of course here in Clark County NV. you have to have a blue card in order to carry a handgun any ways. Nevada's way of registering handguns.

 

[Godsgunman]

You can purchase it from the seller but it has to be transferred through a MO FFL. You can either have the seller ship it to the FFL or take it to the FFL if you both are just across state lines like KCK and KCMO for instance.

 

[Frank Ettin]

I know in Nevada, I can purchase a firearm from a friend in Arizona, and have it transferred for free at the local Police Department. Of course here in Clark County NV. you have to have a blue card in order to carry a handgun any ways. Nevada's way of registering handguns.

Some clarification is needed:

1. Will any police department in Nevada act as a transfer FFL for any Nevada resident obtaining a gun from someone in another State?
   
   
2. Will the Nevada police department receive shipment of the gun from the out-of-state transferee for the transfer?
   
   
3. Do you have any supporting documentation?
   
   
4. Note that the "blue card" is unique to Clark County.

The transfer of a gun from a resident of one State to a resident of another is subject to and regulated under federal law. Here (for the umpteenth time) is the whole federal law story on interstate firearms transfer (not including the rules for those with Curio and Relic licenses and the subject of dual residency):

• Under federal law, any transfer (with a few, narrow exceptions, e. g., by bequest under a will) from a resident of one State to a resident of another must be through an FFL. The transfer must comply with all the requirements of the State in which the transfer is being done as well as all federal formalities (e. g., completion of a 4473, etc.).
  
  
• In the case of handguns, it must be an FFL in the transferee's State of residence. You may obtain a handgun in a State other than your State of residence, BUT it must be shipped by the transferor to an FFL in your State of residence to transfer the handgun to you.
  
  
• In the case of long guns, it may be any FFL as long as (1) the long gun is legal in the transferee's State of residence; and (2) the transfer complies with the laws of the State in which it takes place; and (3) the transfer complies with the law of the transferee's State of residence.C] In connection with the transfer of a long gun, some FFLs will not want to handle the transfer to a resident of another State, because they may be uncertain about the laws of that State. And if the transferee resides in some States (e. g., California), the laws of the State may be such that an out-of-state FFL will not be able to conduct a transfer that complies.
  
  
• There are no exceptions under the applicable federal laws for gifts, whether between relatives or otherwise, nor is there any exception for transactions between relatives.
  
  
• The relevant federal laws may be found at: 18 USC 922(a)(3); 18 USC 922(a)(5); and 18 USC 922(b)(3).
  
  
• Here's what the statutes say:

  18 U.S.C. 922. Unlawful acts
  
  (a) It shall be unlawful—
  ...
  
  (3) for any person, other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to transport into or receive in the State where he resides (or if the person is a corporation or other business entity, the State where it maintains a place of business) any firearm purchased or otherwise obtained by such person outside that State, except that this paragraph
  
  

  (A) shall not preclude any person who lawfully acquires a firearm by bequest or intestate succession in a State other than his State of residence from transporting the firearm into or receiving it in that State, if it is lawful for such person to purchase or possess such firearm in that State,
  
  (B) shall not apply to the transportation or receipt of a firearm obtained in conformity with subsection (b)(3) of this section, and
  
  (C) shall not apply to the transportation of any firearm acquired in any State prior to the effective date of this chapter;​

  
  ...
  
  (5) for any person (other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector) to transfer, sell, trade, give, transport, or deliver any firearm to any person (other than a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector) who the transferor knows or has reasonable cause to believe does not reside in (or if the person is a corporation or other business entity, does not maintain a place of business in) the State in which the transferor resides; except that this paragraph shall not apply to
  
  

  (A) the transfer, transportation, or delivery of a firearm made to carry out a bequest of a firearm to, or an acquisition by intestate succession of a firearm by, a person who is permitted to acquire or possess a firearm under the laws of the State of his residence, and
  
  (B) the loan or rental of a firearm to any person for temporary use for lawful sporting purposes;​

  
  ....
  
  (b) It shall be unlawful for any licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector to sell or deliver --
  ...
  
  (3) any firearm to any person who the licensee knows or has reasonable cause to believe does not reside in (or if the person is a corporation or other business entity, does not maintain a place of business in) the State in which the licensee's place of business is located, except that this paragraph
  
  

  (A) shall not apply to the sale or delivery of any rifle or shotgun to a resident of a State other than a State in which the licensee's place of business is located if the transferee meets in person with the transferor to accomplish the transfer, and the sale, delivery, and receipt fully comply with the legal conditions of sale in both such States (and any licensed manufacturer, importer or dealer shall be presumed, for purposes of this subparagraph, in the absence of evidence to the contrary, to have had actual knowledge of the State laws and published ordinances of both States), and
  
  (B) shall not apply to the loan or rental of a firearm to any person for temporary use for lawful sporting purposes;​

  
  ...

 

[1KPerDay]

Yes it was. I think we may have had a bit of a communication mixup here. I wrote my original response to the OP at the same time you did. I hadn't seen your post yet when I originally posted mine. My posting of the FAQ's from the ATF was not meant to discredit what you said, only to validate it from the official source.

Ah, gotcha.

 

[Jim K]

I have never heard of a police department having an FFL or acting as a licensee for transfer of a firearm across state lines.

It sounds like Loose Noose may be confusing registration with transfer, but if he, a unlicensed resident of Nevada, bought the gun from an unlicensed resident of Arizona (in either state or in a third state), both he and the seller have violated Federal law.

Jim