buying a handgun

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abbyful

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I am wanting to buy a handgun for personal protection and for shooting at the range. I want something lightweight, easy to shoot, and not overly loud. I want quality, but not too expensive either, I don't need anything fancy.

I will fully admit I know very little about handguns. I've shot rifles and shotguns (and taken hunter's safety course), but I've only shot a handgun maybe twice in my life. Also, I do plan to take a course after buying.

Can anyone point me in the right direction of where to start researching at? (Size, brand, etc.?) Thanks!
 
Any of the major brands will probably be fine. Size and caliber really depend on what you're likely to be doing with it. For instance, I had a full-size 1911 for concealed carry and I found that maybe once a week I could carry it. I got a pocket-size 9mm and I carry it pretty much every day.

Of course, if you're mostly going to keep it on your nightstand you can get by with a bigger, probably more accurate gun.

I'd say stick to 9mm if you want to do a lot of plinking. The price goes way up from there, but you can get more than adequate defence ammo for it (maybe not .45 adequate, but more than enough to inflict serious damage). If you go revolver a .357 is the most obvious choice, since you can step down to .38 for plinking, though it will still cost you more than 9mm.

I guess you could get a Medusa and not have to worry about .38 vs 9mm. LOL
 
I wouldn't want to be without hearing protection whether I was firing a 9mm or a .44 Magnum. Any handgun in an accepted defense caliber (.380 and up) will be loud. Most ranges require hearing (and eye) protection. If you ever have to draw and fire on someone, loud noises will be the least of your concerns. Loudness is a non-issue.

Anyway, I'd look at the following list of weapons:
Glock 17/22
Springfield XD Service
CZ-75B
CZ-75 Compact
Taurus 24/7 Pro
Beretta PX4
Stoeger Cougar
Smith and Wesson M&P (look at this one in particular, it has adjustable backstraps for various handsizes)
Smith and Wesson K-Frame
Taurus Model 66

I'd recommend a 9mm since you're new to handgunning. .40 and .45 can be intimidating to a beginner. 9mm is also much cheaper than other types of ammo, except for .22LR.

Don't shoot your eye out.
 
+1 on 9mm for all around use... relatively inexpensive for practice yet a decent self defense round (some will say otherwise... let's not go there people).

definitely try to get to a store and lay your hands on some.

one of the key questions:

do you intend to get a concealed carry license for it? if so, you may want to look toward the smaller, more compact handguns. if it's not a concern, you can look at more full size service and tactical pistols which can be slightly heavier than their smaller counterparts but in general, handle recoil better and have larger capacity.

everybody's "expense" opinion is different but i'd say to plan on spending $350-500 all told for a good gun... figure another $100 for accessories (holsters, maybe extra mags, cleaning accesories, small gun safe?)

good brands to consider in that range (i'm an automatic guy so that's what you'll see here):

Springfield XD
Glock
Taurus
Ruger
Bersa/Firestorm
Walther


good luck!
 
There have been alot of good info here. Not much I can add. The .357 Mag/.38 Spec combination and the 9mm are great places to start. About the only thing I can add is try to find a range that will rent guns or a friend that has several who will help you on the range. Another thought is join a gun club. People there are usually eager to help new shooters find what is right for them. That is how I tried the first .45 ACP Colt 1911 I ever fired, now I have my own.
 
ABBYFUL - "I will fully admit I know very little about handguns."

The first thing you should do is go to a range and rent a .22 L.R. pistol or revolver and get some lessons on safety, firearms handling, and the fundamentals of shooting and accuracy.

Then, in my opinion, buy a good .22 L.R. pistol (Ruger Mk II, or Browning Buckmark), and about three "bricks" (a "brick = 500 rounds) of .22 L.R. ammo, and practice, practice, practice.

Once you're proficient, then move up in caliber, if you wish.

In my opinion, it is a big mistake for people who are unfamiliar with handguns, to start trying to learn to shoot well with larger caliber weapons.

JMHO.

L.W.
 
ABBYFUL - "I will fully admit I know very little about handguns."

The first thing you should do is go to a range and rent a .22 L.R. pistol or revolver and get some lessons on safety, firearms handling, and the fundamentals of shooting and accuracy.

I do know about firearms safety, my dad got me started shooting when I was around 7, and I was in shooting sports in 4-H. (And I have to admit I'm a pretty good shot with a rifle.) But we always just had shotguns and rifles, that's why I say I know nothing about handguns.

That's also another reason I'm going to take a course, I don't want to develop bad habits with incorrect stance or anything by just buying one and doing my own thing shooting tin cans on a fencepost. :)
 
Regarding noise, I have a Beretta 21a in .22 LR. I don't know if it's as loud as some of my larger caliber handguns, that high pitch and short barrel will sure as hell make your ears ring. I don't know if you'll find a handgun that doesn't make a lot of noise...
 
All guns will be loud. Some will be louder depending upon the circumstance. A 22 indoors is quite loud. Just assume they're all loud enough to require hearing protection.

Small and lightweight generally do not go with "easy to shoot". Many times, a smaller handgun results in more noise and is more difficult to control. Get a small gun whose grip does not support all fingers and the palm only AFTER learning to shoot. Keep this in mind.

The grip should fit your hand. Your palm should be FULLY supported. It should be comfortable and not dig into your hand. The barrel should be of sufficient length to facilitate sighting. The sights must be easy on your eyes -- visible, with notches wide enough that you can easily discern where the shot is going to go.

It is imperative that you be able to reach the trigger. The finger goes on the trigger in a certain position. You'll need to be able to achieve that if you want to shoot well.

Mechanical safeties are important, but your brain is really the only safety. Use it! Don't buy into the notion that "more safeties, the better". Take a gun safety class BEFORE buying. The NRA offers a NON-SHOOTING gun safety class. Look for a local Izaak Walton League or shooting club.

NOTE: try to avoid guns that mount the safety on the slide. Generally, these safeties must be flipped up in order to shoot; pointing down equals "safety engaged, no shooting". This is a problem on a defensive firearm when doing an emergency reload because the hand may accidentally engage the safety during the procedure. Stick to either no external safeties (like on the Glock, SIGs, or any revolver) or thumb safeties (like on the HiPower and 1911).

Examples of firearms that have slide mounted safeties include most Smith and Wesson semi-automatic pistols, the Walther PP series, and Beretta semi-autos. Get one if you wish, but understand what you're getting into before you make a $600 mistake.

Remember, you're learning to shoot. This is a VERY different goal than getting a small hideout gun. Again, get the small, hideout gun when you know what you're doing, but not before. You will only get frustrated, especially if you attend a defensive gun class.


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You don't need to start with a 22. It's often recommended, but most folks only have one gun. If you can have only one gun, then get it in a defensive caliber. If you do get a 22, take a look at the Browning Buckmark, Ruger MkIII, Ruger 22/45, Beretta 87, and Walther P22. Don't forget the 22 revolvers: Ruger Single Six and S&W 617.

In defensive chamberings, some common calibers are:

38 Special, 357 Magnum, 9mm, 10mm, 45 ACP, 40 S&W, 357 SIG, 45 GAP, 41 Magnum, 44 Magnum, 44 Special.

The common calibers for semi-automatic pistols tend to be 9mm, 40 S&W, and 45 ACP. For revolvers, it's usually 357 Magnum, 38 Special, and 44 Magnum. You will find that 9mm is cheaper than the others. It is adequate for defense; don't get stuck on caliber because the overall differences in effectiveness against humans are statistically small. Pick the one that you like and stick with it.

Try as many guns as possible before buying. Some examples of guns that I have found to be good for personal protection include:

Glock: 17, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 30, 31, 32, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38
SIG: P220, P226, P228, P229
HK: USP, P2000, P7M8
Springfield: XD. No 1911s.
S&W: M&P, 686, 610, 625, 629, 10, 686+, 57, 60, NOT the lightweight revolvers from small to large
CZ: Any with full sized grip.
Ruger: SP101, GP100. They offer semi-autos, but I find their grips to be goofy. May work for you.
Kimber: None. Avoid the 1911 platform until you know what you are doing.
Colt: Avoid 1911's until you have experience. Avoid their older guns due to parts availability.
Browning: Hi Power
FN: Hi Power.
Beretta: Any 9mm or larger without a slide safety.
Taurus: OK quality
Keltec: Too small
Kahr: K9, K40, K45(?) and variants. The K9 is made for smaller hands.

A note on the 1911:

1911's are afficionado's guns (so say Hilton Yam and others). They can be picky and not function well. You may get lucky. I like the gun, but I STILL have no functioning 1911 after around $5,000 in guns, ammo, parts, and gunsmithing. You have been warned. See 1911forum.com/forums.

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My preferences lean toward the Glock mid-frame guns (19, 23, 32) and Glock minis (26, 27, 33). I even carry one of each, but I'm weird. I came to this conclusion after owning most of the guns in the above list (and a few not on it) and firing several thousand rounds through them. Current favorites include the SIG P220 (1993-1998 models), SIG P220 SAO, Browning Hi-Power, and S&W revolvers in 10mm and 45 ACP. But when I carry, I use dual Glocks built around the same caliber (so the magazines work between guns).

I'm sure there will be lots of complaining about my 1911 comments. That's fine; those folks either got lucky, don't shoot a lot, purchased an expensive custom gun, or know how to keep them running. If you get into 1911s, just bite the bullet and buy a nice custom one from a manufacturer that has a reputation of GREAT customer support. FYI, the Kimber Warrior seems to be a good starting point at $1100+. I inspected one owned by a family member and it was nice; his experience with it has been positive.
 
Also, I do plan to take a course after buying.
STOP! Take the NRA Basic Pistol Course first. You'll get to shoot several different handguns so you'll better know what works for you and what doesn't.

A note on the 1911:

1911's are afficionado's guns (so say Hilton Yam and others). They can be picky and not function well. You may get lucky. I like the gun, but I STILL have no functioning 1911 after around $5,000 in guns, ammo, parts, and gunsmithing. You have been warned. See 1911forum.com/forums

I'll counter that warning. My used Springfield Armory GI model has been flawless, and I paid $400 for it. Nothing fits my hand like a 1911. Inherent to the design of the pistol, nothing has a better trigger than a 1911. They're great guns, so don't be scared off if they work for you.

Edit I also want to know where this $5K went. http://www.yost-bonitz.com/pricelist/pistol - scroll down to reliability work, and look at the prices. Ted Yost is known as one of the top 1911 gunsmiths in the world. I really question how someone can supposedly spend $5K and not have a single reliable 1911.
 
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Before you purchase one, take a Basic Handgun course. Then rent out different handguns. Look for balance, grip and accuracy (50 rounds should be enough). Lastly, look into a Glock 19 or 17, via website or Glock message boards. Good luck with your decision and make sure you memorize the Gun rules.
 
$700 -- Springfield Armory Compact
$750 -- Springfield Armory Loaded
$1100 --Kimber Tactical Ultra II (see thread on 1911 Forum for the saga "Kimber Tactical Ultra II Troubleshooting")

That's $2500 in guns over a 5 year period. Add to that:

Around 5000 rounds of 45 ACP ammunition
Parts
Gunsmithing fees
Shipping (four times for the Kimber)
Gear (holsters, mags, etc. Milt Sparks holsters are $100 each...)
Range fees

plus...months of waiting for gunsmiths to finish the work. When I added up all the receipts, it was just shy of $5k.

Darn things STILL would fail to feed or fail to eject. They had great triggers though.

I would have liked to get a Yost, Wilson, or Nighthawk but I never had all the money at once. Now I could do it, but have gotten over that particular bug. The next 1911 I try will be one of the SA GI models with 5" barrel.
 
For a new shooter, possibly on a budget, I like Glocks and maybe a HK USP/USPc as found in the pre-owned pages of your classified.
 
Lessons from Crebralfix's problems that apply to any handgun purchase.

If used make sure the dealer has a at least a 2 week warranty on their used guns. If it doesn't work take it back and get your money back. If there is no used gun warranty be prepared to sell at a loss or eat the cost of gunsmithing.

On a new gun buy from a reputable dealer who has a rep, factory or distributor, that will handle defective guns. If the manufacturer can't get it working within one trip to the factory, two at thew most, return the gun and get your money back. Buy with a credit card that has purchase protection if possible. If the manufacturer or the dealer gives you problems let the credit card company's lawyers deal with them. Don't send a new gun to third party gunsmiths for reliability work since this will likely void your warranty.

On both new & used guns don't drop your money on expensive holsters and other gear until you know the gun works. If you want the gun customized get a gaurantee in writing from the gunsmith that they'll ensure it functions after the custom work.
 
For true down to basics fundamental shooting purchase a .22
If you need it for personal defense/fun gun look into a 9mm medium to large size. What ever make and model fits you best.(main factors are normally size and budget)
 
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