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Along the same lines, I have found that most California LEOs outside of those big coastal populations have about the same opinion. Now, I am sure that if a gang banger gets pulled over with a trunkful of reloading components Mr. Deputy is going to find some way to haul him in over it, no matter how politically conservative the county may be. John Q. Citizen who gets pulled over for a traffic violation, however, is likely going to have the same situation ignored, as long as it doesn't happen in Berkely!
 
People tend to define California by looking at Los Angeles and San Francisco, but the truth is that most Californians outside of those two counties tend to view those citizens as fruit loops.

I'm in nor cal. Not the bay area but way north. Most people where I live and in the surrounding area are not like your regular CA Sacramento, San Francisco or LA types. Our sheriff in my my county is very pro 2A. Probably one of the only counties left if you apply for a ccw you will get one unless you are a felon or considered mentally unstable.

We already have too many stupid gun laws. Hopefully the no lead issue really is dropped. It's actually the first I have heard of it. There have been signs up at the local BLM range for a while that lists types of ammo you are not supposed to use. Jacketed bullets, steel core/tipped and incendiary ammo is listed.
 
which makes me wonder, how the shooting ranges are going to keep track of how much ammo i shoot, versus what I brought in, while one might not be able to sneak 1000 rounds out the door. I bet it wouldn’t be to hard to sneak 50-100 rounds out the door, especially if we are talking 9mm.

now trying to sneak out a 100 rounds of 45-70 would be another matter.

I probably should not say this, but to the best of my knowledge, they just don't care. California gun laws no longer have anything at all to do with crime prevention and are now all about pandering and profit, and we all know it.
 
not like your regular CA Sacramento, San Francisco or LA types. Our sheriff in my my county is very pro 2A. Probably one of the only counties left if you apply for a ccw you will get one unless you are a felon or considered mentally unstable.
...Hopefully the no lead issue really is dropped. It's actually the first I have heard of it.
You must be a bit out of touch with hot 2A issues as it was a pretty big thing when we were asking shooter/gun owners to contact their representatives when the Bill was introduced...but then you weren't aware the Sheriff in Sacramento was pro-2A and uses pretty much the same criteria as yours when issuing CCW either.
 
You must be a bit out of touch with hot 2A issues as it was a pretty big thing when we were asking shooter/gun owners to contact their representatives when the Bill was introduced...but then you weren't aware the Sheriff in Sacramento was pro-2A and uses pretty much the same criteria as yours when issuing CCW either.

I don't have a lot of time to study every bill being schemed up by liberal politicians.
 
Primer cups should be quite easy to stamp out and form from flat sheets of metal, and a quick formula to pour into them that is reliable and sensitive but not overly so probably not hard. A press could probably also mass produce little anvils for the primers quite easily since the amount of material wouldn't even require much force to cut out.

Primer compound is actually the most dangerous of the materials and it does contain explosives.

Here is a pretty detailed rundown on primers and the making of them.
https://www.bevfitchett.us/chemical-analysis-of-firearms/priming-compositions.html
 
People tend to define California by looking at Los Angeles and San Francisco, but the truth is that most Californians outside of those two counties tend to view those citizens as fruit loops.

So essentially, there are two Californias: the California made up of big coastal counties, and everywhere else.

<Edit> I live in a fairly urbanized coastal county in California, yet we still have what is essentially "shall issue". Our sheriff's department is largely supportive of it, but also is very protective of it. If a CCW holder screws up in any significant way - like a DWI or a 100 mph speeding ticket - he can count on not being renewed, at the least. They really don't want any negative light shone upon the program.

Question:

If you live in one of these rural counties, and do get a CCW. Do all of the remaining California counties have to honor the CCW? What about cities?
 
Question:

If you live in one of these rural counties, and do get a CCW. Do all of the remaining California counties have to honor the CCW? What about cities?

A California CCW is a state permit, but the issuance is done by county Sheriffs and city Chiefs of Police. Permit issuance is discretionary with the officials, and there is quite a bit of variance in policy between various jurisdictions. But once a permit is issued, it is valid throughout the state.
 
A California CCW is a state permit, but the issuance is done by county Sheriffs and city Chiefs of Police. Permit issuance is discretionary with the officials, and there is quite a bit of variance in policy between various jurisdictions. But once a permit is issued, it is valid throughout the state.

Interesting. So say for example, I move to a county and get that sheriff to give me a CCW. Then move to another county. Will the CCW be valid until it expires? Then the sheriff of the new county is the one that gets to decide if I can renew?

What about people who own multiple homes, in multiple counties. Could one just go to the county of one of their homes that they believe would be the easiest to get a sheriff to approve for. CCW? And as long as they continued to own a house in that county they could renew?

For that matter, who said even own... one could lease a home in multiple counties.

How long does one have to “live” in the county before one can qualify for a CCW?
I’m from Texas... if I buy a home in a 2A supportive sherif county. How long would I have to stay before the sheriff would approve me? What would be needed to prove residence? Deed or lease agreement?
 
Lots of grey area questions there, and the answers vary by county. If you are serious, you'll need to access the sheriff's department website for the California county in which you live.
 
Until about ... I want to say 20 years ago ... a California resident could apply to any county for a CCW permit, good throughout the state. Eventually, folk noticed that almost all of the permits were being issued by a few rural counties (led by Kern and Fresno I think), while San Francisco city and county issued none or single-digit amounts. Nowadays, it has to be issued by the sheriff of the county you reside in (lots of possible exceptions, I am not a lawyer, etc.).

Details about moving homes, time to establish residency, etc. are questions for an attorney.
 
Until about ... I want to say 20 years ago ... a California resident could apply to any county for a CCW permit, good throughout the state. Eventually, folk noticed that almost all of the permits were being issued by a few rural counties (led by Kern and Fresno I think), while San Francisco city and county issued none or single-digit amounts. Nowadays, it has to be issued by the sheriff of the county you reside in (lots of possible exceptions, I am not a lawyer, etc.).

Details about moving homes, time to establish residency, etc. are questions for an attorney.

You would be correct except you can also request one from the chief of police of an incorporated city in California and there are some additional provisions based on employment and business ownership as noted in the full citation below.

https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/pubfaqs

Office of Attorney General California,
"May I carry a concealed firearm in California?
  • Generally you may not carry a concealed firearm on your person in public unless you have a valid Carry Concealed Weapon (CCW) license. CCW licenses are issued only by a California county sheriff to residents of the county, or the chief of police to residents of the city. California law does not honor or recognize CCW licenses issued outside this state.

    (Pen. Code, §§ 25400-25700, 26150-26225.)"
California Code, Penal Code - PEN § 26150
(a) When a person applies for a license to carry a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person, the sheriff of a county may issue a license to that person upon proof of all of the following:

(1) The applicant is of good moral character.

(2) Good cause exists for issuance of the license.

(3) The applicant is a resident of the county or a city within the county, or the applicant's principal place of employment or business is in the county or a city within the county and the applicant spends a substantial period of time in that place of employment or business.

(4) The applicant has completed a course of training as described in Section 26165 .

(b) The sheriff may issue a license under subdivision (a) in either of the following formats:

(1) A license to carry concealed a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person.

(2) Where the population of the county is less than 200,000 persons according to the most recent federal decennial census, a license to carry loaded and exposed in only that county a pistol, revolver, or other firearm capable of being concealed upon the person.

(c)(1) Nothing in this chapter shall preclude the sheriff of the county from entering into an agreement with the chief or other head of a municipal police department of a city to process all applications for licenses, renewals of licenses, or amendments to licenses pursuant to this chapter, in lieu of the sheriff.

(2) This subdivision shall only apply to applicants who reside within the city in which the chief or other head of the municipal police department has agreed to process applications for licenses, renewals of licenses, and amendments to licenses, pursuant to this chapter.
 
Interesting. So say for example, I move to a county and get that sheriff to give me a CCW. Then move to another county. Will the CCW be valid until it expires? Then the sheriff of the new county is the one that gets to decide if I can renew?

What about people who own multiple homes, in multiple counties. Could one just go to the county of one of their homes that they believe would be the easiest to get a sheriff to approve for. CCW? And as long as they continued to own a house in that county they could renew?

For that matter, who said even own... one could lease a home in multiple counties.

How long does one have to “live” in the county before one can qualify for a CCW?
I’m from Texas... if I buy a home in a 2A supportive sherif county. How long would I have to stay before the sheriff would approve me? What would be needed to prove residence? Deed or lease agreement?

A California CCW is a state permit, but the issuance is done by county Sheriffs and city Chiefs of Police. Permit issuance is discretionary with the officials, and there is quite a bit of variance in policy between various jurisdictions. But once a permit is issued, it is valid throughout the state.

It's important to remember that simply owning a home in a location does not necessarily make you a resident of that location.

A California CCW permit becomes void 90 days after the permittee moves from the county of issuance. Please refer to Penal Code section 29210(d).

A lot of California jurisdictions have encountered issues where a person resided in a county that would not issue permits, but had a vacation or secondary home in a county that would issue. The background check process would typically identify those folks and the permit denied on the basis of misrepresentation. Please note that California's definition of "Residency" differs considerably from the Federal definition. The California CCW application forms requires folks who have been denied CCW Permits to identify that fact on subsequent applications. That doesn't necessarily prevent a future issuance of a CCW Permit, but it will be the subject of focus during the background check.
 
It's important to remember that simply owning a home in a location does not necessarily make you a resident of that location.

A California CCW permit becomes void 90 days after the permittee moves from the county of issuance. Please refer to Penal Code section 29210(d).

A lot of California jurisdictions have encountered issues where a person resided in a county that would not issue permits, but had a vacation or secondary home in a county that would issue. The background check process would typically identify those folks and the permit denied on the basis of misrepresentation. Please note that California's definition of "Residency" differs considerably from the Federal definition. The California CCW application forms requires folks who have been denied CCW Permits to identify that fact on subsequent applications. That doesn't necessarily prevent a future issuance of a CCW Permit, but it will be the subject of focus during the background check.

What does California consider to be their requirement for residency? Or even county of residence within California. How does or would California know (assuming both homes were in California) which home was a main home? One would have utility bills from both. Etc.... The only way I think they might be able to say is what address is used on your California DL.

in Texas, Texas will consider what address you use on your DL or ID as your main address. All other Texas addresses you may have are secondary. Thus I can choose to use on my Texas DL either homes address. However whichever I choose, is also the area that I will have to vote in. Meaning if I have a Dallas address and a Houston address, and Dallas is my dL address. I vote in Dallas not Houston.
 
Every time I have renewed my ccw the instructor mentioned going to a certain place in Oregon and the sheriff will give someone from CA a ccw. Then there is the Arizona ccw that you can or used to be able to complete by mail. If you live in CA and do the Oregon and Arizona ccw you should be good for almost if not every state.
 
What does California consider to be their requirement for residency? Or even county of residence within California. How does or would California know (assuming both homes were in California) which home was a main home? One would have utility bills from both. Etc.... The only way I think they might be able to say is what address is used on your California DL.

in Texas, Texas will consider what address you use on your DL or ID as your main address. All other Texas addresses you may have are secondary. Thus I can choose to use on my Texas DL either homes address. However whichever I choose, is also the area that I will have to vote in. Meaning if I have a Dallas address and a Houston address, and Dallas is my dL address. I vote in Dallas not Houston.

California has many different definitions of "Residency." The definition for tax purposes and school tuition are different from the one used for firearms law. The firearms definition of residency is copied from the Driver's License definition and is as follows:

"For purposes of this division only and notwithstanding Section 516, residency shall be determined as a person’s state of domicile. “State of domicile” means the state where a person has his or her true, fixed, and permanent home and principal residence and to which he or she has manifested the intention of returning whenever he or she is absent."
Although the definition is given in terms of "state of domicile", is is broadly interpreted to mean the "permanent home and principle residence" when applied to intra-state residences.
The cases I'm familiar with have been primarily from San Bernardino and Riverside Counties. Both are close the the Los Angeles metropolitan area. Los Angeles County does not issue CCW Permits to ordinary residents. An audit a few years ago showed that the majority of issued permits were to reserve deputies, senior civilian staff of the department, judges and deputy district attorneys. Because of this, amny L.A. County residents have attempted to bamboozle the Riverside and San Bernardino Sheriffs into issuing. The deception was most commonly detected during the applicant interview, employer interviews and neighborhood checks. California agencies do actual "Background Checks" on CCW applicants. It's not a paper process.

It's the word 'Principle" in the definition that causes the problem. If the applicant works in Downtown L.A., but is claiming a "Principle Residence" in the lake resort of Big Bear (a popular location for vacation homes, about two hours from Los Angeles and in San Bernardino County) it don't take a rocket scientist investigator to figure out that the applicant probably doesn't live there as his "Principle Residence." A quick check of the Lexis/Nexis service will likely show another residence closer to L.A. and then the investigator will quantify the time spent at each residence and then issue the denial letter for misrepresentation.
 
The deception was most commonly detected during the applicant interview, employer interviews and neighborhood checks. California agencies do actual "Background Checks" on CCW applicants. It's not a paper process.
Sacramento County does the same thing. A client bought a house in the county and applied for a CCW here. He even told them that he was often in The City to check on/care for his mother. The Sheriff department investigator apparently interviewed the neighbors of his local property about how often he was present. The Sheriff's Department rejected his application based on, "Poor Moral Character"
 
California has many different definitions of "Residency." The definition for tax purposes and school tuition are different from the one used for firearms law. The firearms definition of residency is copied from the Driver's License definition and is as follows:

"For purposes of this division only and notwithstanding Section 516, residency shall be determined as a person’s state of domicile. “State of domicile” means the state where a person has his or her true, fixed, and permanent home and principal residence and to which he or she has manifested the intention of returning whenever he or she is absent."
Although the definition is given in terms of "state of domicile", is is broadly interpreted to mean the "permanent home and principle residence" when applied to intra-state residences.
The cases I'm familiar with have been primarily from San Bernardino and Riverside Counties. Both are close the the Los Angeles metropolitan area. Los Angeles County does not issue CCW Permits to ordinary residents. An audit a few years ago showed that the majority of issued permits were to reserve deputies, senior civilian staff of the department, judges and deputy district attorneys. Because of this, amny L.A. County residents have attempted to bamboozle the Riverside and San Bernardino Sheriffs into issuing. The deception was most commonly detected during the applicant interview, employer interviews and neighborhood checks. California agencies do actual "Background Checks" on CCW applicants. It's not a paper process.

It's the word 'Principle" in the definition that causes the problem. If the applicant works in Downtown L.A., but is claiming a "Principle Residence" in the lake resort of Big Bear (a popular location for vacation homes, about two hours from Los Angeles and in San Bernardino County) it don't take a rocket scientist investigator to figure out that the applicant probably doesn't live there as his "Principle Residence." A quick check of the Lexis/Nexis service will likely show another residence closer to L.A. and then the investigator will quantify the time spent at each residence and then issue the denial letter for misrepresentation.

For a person employed that absolutely makes sense. You have a full time non mobile job in one area, and you have a house in a second area known for vacation homes, with lots of neighbors. If you have deputies who do an actual physical investigation, interview neighbors etc things can be discovered.

I was recently interviewed by the FBI for a background check on a neighbor who worked for Lockheed and needed a higher security clearance for a military contract job. They (fbi) didn’t reveal much more. But asked me tons of questions, some I could answer some I could not because I simply didn’t know.

however I do see instances where that might be impossible to do. If an FBI agent were to ask me about my neighbors in Utah I would have no clue, as well as if they asked my neighbors in Utah they wouldn’t have a clue either, as my closest neighbors are 5 miles away. Same goes for the second home I own in Texas. Neighbors live about 10 miles away and I have never met them in the 20 years I have owned the property.

Before I retired, I worked for myself, with clients all over the state. So if anyone wanted to pin down my actual primary home residence they would be hard pressed. Then or now.

if California does actual physical checks and interviews, then that is one possible way they can determine true residence. Check other documents available for public viewing such as DL, vehicle registrations, and other Items. however It’s not Without its issues either.

I am sure if I purchased a home in California, even in a Pro-2A County, I would not be able to get a Ca CCW easily and without taking lots of effort and spending lots of time and money to be able to show some reasonable level of residency to get approved. Which would require a lot more time and money then I personally believe it would be worth.

If I allready lived in California though, that all might be a different story. Hard to say as I probably wouldn’t be working or living in a non 2A county in the first place. Who knows.

I was just wondering about How California determines residency, verifies etc...

As far as Utah goes.... I could probably get a resident LTC fairly easy enough. However, it would actually be easier to just get and maintain a non-resident ltc. Currently from what I can gather, there is no advantage to having a resident over non-resident. Either obtains reciprocity with Washington, and every other state that recognizes Utah resident or non resident, recognizes Texas as well.
 
Sacramento County does the same thing. A client bought a house in the county and applied for a CCW here. He even told them that he was often in The City to check on/care for his mother. The Sheriff department investigator apparently interviewed the neighbors of his local property about how often he was present. The Sheriff's Department rejected his application based on, "Poor Moral Character"


Hmm, makes you wonder if the neighbors said some thing bad about the guy, or simply how often he was actually there and that’s what the sheriff department used.

I know someone who was denied a New Jersey LTC due to “poor moral character” When asked why, it was because he had 4-5 reckless driving and 8-9 speeding tickets 10-15 years ago! That’s an excuse that leaves it up to personal opinion, and that’s the problem with that clause in the law.
 
That may be so, I don’t have actual numbers at my disposal. Again, those in rural or CCW friendly Counties do have the ability to obtain CCW permits if they wish at a much greater rate than those urban ones who are controlled by antis. If only 100,000 people have taken advantage of this Statewide, then (sadly) it’s the desire of these folks not to exercise the opportunity to have a means of self protection... not necessarily the will of the County Sheriffs that issue the majority of CCW permits to deny them.

In any event, I would love to see a higher rate of CCW permits issued since the CCW permit holders seem to be more responsible firearm owners. It’s clear that the draconian gun laws spewing forth from the clowns in Sacto over the past 30+ years certainly haven’t done a darn thing to curb crooks or illegal use of firearms one bit.

Stay safe.

I haven't seen anyone mention yet that a CA carry permit can be issued only for the county in which you live. Most rural and suburban counties are SHALL ISSUE. Most coastal urban/suburban counties are "Never Issue," unless you contribute generously to the reelection of the Sheriff, a mayor or other elevated official. Starting point is about $10,000!
 
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I haven't seen anyone mention yet that a carry permit can be issued only for the county you live in. Most rural counties are SHALL ISSUE. Most coastal urban/suburban counties are "Never Issue," unless you contribute generously to the reelection of the Sheriff, a mayor or other elevated official. Starting point is about $10,000!
Sadly that’s true in many urban counties. CCW permits pretty much are bought there, which is a total travesty.

Luckily I work in one suburban county, and live in another adjoining county, that are both 2A -CCW friendly. :thumbup:

Stay safe.
 
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