Can bomb-sniffing dogs smell a pistol inside a car from outside?
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TonkinTwentyMil
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Monkey-Wrenching The Co. Parking-Lot Tyrants
Patentnonsense has nailed this dead-on by referring to this invasion of privacy by politically-correct/anti-gun corporate lawyers as tyranny. Viewed in a practical sense, these policies simply do an end-run around (and over) the 2nd Amendment... and basic rights of self-defense AFTER you've departed the parking lot.
Accordingly, suspend any qualms about "fighting fire with fire" (at least until new state laws abolish this leftist bull****) via smart "monkey-wrenching" subterfuge.
Suggestions:
1. Stow your Car Gun and ammo in an air-tight Pelican case... and inside a second locking case, such as a good briefcase or tool-box.
2. Keep the gun VERY clean, and free of powder residues and excessive lubricants. This also applies to the storage case... and it requires frequent, more-than-casual cleaning, lubing, and airing-out.
3. Keep some opened/partially used , moderately "leaking" cans and jars of various common auto lubricants in your trunk or pick-up bed. If the dogs "find' this diversionary stuff, it's no big deal.
4. Occasionally spray one of your tires -- and OTHER nearby parked-cars' tires -- with O.C./peppergas. I love my dogs, too, but I've also had good results with O.C. against feral/attacking dogs. They generally hate the stuff. Be real discrete about this, and watch out for parking-lot surveillance cameras. Even at $15 a canister X monthly, this is a cheap investment in protecting your butt and your 2A rights. It's also a good use of old/expired O.C. canisters that need to be replaced, anyway. Besides, if you get "busted" for this, you can simply explain that -- since they disarmed you AND you *ahem* certainly wouldn't want to go against co. gun policy -- you've recently had to use O.C. on a would-be car thief... just when the co.'s progressive, "anti-violence" lawyers wern't around to protect you!
Others here might supply their expertise and imaginations to invent more refined ruses and diversions. Beyond that, I fully realize this approach is not "The High Road". However, The Great American Gun War has long been fought by the Anti-2A's playing cute political games, media-manipulation, and being "offsides"... without penalty.
So, until their self-righteous, underhanded games are blocked by the next round of pro-2A laws -- consider playing "offsides" selectively. If enough folks do this successfully, it'll frustrate "them", force more politicians to show their true colors, and hasten the anti-gun liberal crack-up.
Patentnonsense has nailed this dead-on by referring to this invasion of privacy by politically-correct/anti-gun corporate lawyers as tyranny. Viewed in a practical sense, these policies simply do an end-run around (and over) the 2nd Amendment... and basic rights of self-defense AFTER you've departed the parking lot.
Accordingly, suspend any qualms about "fighting fire with fire" (at least until new state laws abolish this leftist bull****) via smart "monkey-wrenching" subterfuge.
Suggestions:
1. Stow your Car Gun and ammo in an air-tight Pelican case... and inside a second locking case, such as a good briefcase or tool-box.
2. Keep the gun VERY clean, and free of powder residues and excessive lubricants. This also applies to the storage case... and it requires frequent, more-than-casual cleaning, lubing, and airing-out.
3. Keep some opened/partially used , moderately "leaking" cans and jars of various common auto lubricants in your trunk or pick-up bed. If the dogs "find' this diversionary stuff, it's no big deal.
4. Occasionally spray one of your tires -- and OTHER nearby parked-cars' tires -- with O.C./peppergas. I love my dogs, too, but I've also had good results with O.C. against feral/attacking dogs. They generally hate the stuff. Be real discrete about this, and watch out for parking-lot surveillance cameras. Even at $15 a canister X monthly, this is a cheap investment in protecting your butt and your 2A rights. It's also a good use of old/expired O.C. canisters that need to be replaced, anyway. Besides, if you get "busted" for this, you can simply explain that -- since they disarmed you AND you *ahem* certainly wouldn't want to go against co. gun policy -- you've recently had to use O.C. on a would-be car thief... just when the co.'s progressive, "anti-violence" lawyers wern't around to protect you!
Others here might supply their expertise and imaginations to invent more refined ruses and diversions. Beyond that, I fully realize this approach is not "The High Road". However, The Great American Gun War has long been fought by the Anti-2A's playing cute political games, media-manipulation, and being "offsides"... without penalty.
So, until their self-righteous, underhanded games are blocked by the next round of pro-2A laws -- consider playing "offsides" selectively. If enough folks do this successfully, it'll frustrate "them", force more politicians to show their true colors, and hasten the anti-gun liberal crack-up.
TallPine
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I would imagine that if a dog could smell a gun inside a car, then the dog could also smell a car that had previously (but not currently) had a gun inside it.
I guess the next step is employers banning their employees from owning or touching a gun on or off duty ...
I guess the next step is employers banning their employees from owning or touching a gun on or off duty ...
Stand_Watie
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Antifreeze is sweet, and dogs, cats and small children (and even some stupid adults) will drink it. The ethylene glycol in it will wreck their liver and other organs and kill them. Ironically, part of the treatment for human ethylene glycol poisoning is giving the victim ethanol (grain alcohol) intravenously.
A dog that was properly trained and monitored by a handler wouldn't be drinking liquids off the ground though.
I am not advocating wehat I am about to write, it is purely hypothetical for its potential amusement possibilities: Just imagine if some were to go around the parking lot with some Hoppes in a spray bottle that also contained some gunpowder and oil. Then that person sprayed it on each and every of upper management's cars, somehow not getting caught by video camera surveillance. Or maybe this woulkd be done on one mamager's car per week, and done off the company lot. Think of the searches that would possibly ensue, and think of the things that might be found, let's say in a bosses trunk. When that double ended rubber thing with straps comes out, or the kiddie porn, or insider trading info is found, you can bet that the management will change its tune.
If no searches came about but you knew for a fact that the dogs had hit on manager's cars, you could always video tape the dogs alerting, then go to the union or otherwise pressure management, by offering to bring the video to the attention of the press, and I'd bet that those cars would then be searched or the policy dropped.
Of course, as I said up at the top of this post, this is all hypothetical and is offered only for its potential amusement qualities. I do not advocate anyone actually doing any of these things; and remember such a mixture of hoppes, gunpowder, and oil would likely be very flamable and thereby potentially dangerous. So think about it, think about the consequences if it jhappened, then laugh and foget about it. Do not do it.
If no searches came about but you knew for a fact that the dogs had hit on manager's cars, you could always video tape the dogs alerting, then go to the union or otherwise pressure management, by offering to bring the video to the attention of the press, and I'd bet that those cars would then be searched or the policy dropped.
Of course, as I said up at the top of this post, this is all hypothetical and is offered only for its potential amusement qualities. I do not advocate anyone actually doing any of these things; and remember such a mixture of hoppes, gunpowder, and oil would likely be very flamable and thereby potentially dangerous. So think about it, think about the consequences if it jhappened, then laugh and foget about it. Do not do it.
stevelyn
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Instead of going through all that trouble with spray bottles, pepper, dosing the wheels with pepper spray, just toss a box of spent brass inside the vehicle.
TonkinTwentyMil
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Spent Ammo & Cases?
Stevelyn, that idea may have merit as a diversion... initially.
However, it might also immediately label your car as belonging to a gun-owner. As such, that would probably beget an INTENSIFIED search of your car's contents. Not a good thing. Same deal for NRA decals, bumper-stickers, etc., all which scream "seach me". Better to stick "Save Vegetarian Gay Whales For Hillary" and "Expand Trial Lawyers' Welfare" bumper stickers on your iron steed.
I like the proposed idea (Bartley's?) about "planting" incriminating stuff in-and-around key co. execs' cars -- and secretly video-taping any subsequent searches.
Remember, any subterfuge actions discussed here are strictly to challenge corporate POLICIES -- not state or federal laws. And, it's those very same laws (which often fail to block/preempt such anti-2A company policies) that we must seek to change via legitimate political action.
Stevelyn, that idea may have merit as a diversion... initially.
However, it might also immediately label your car as belonging to a gun-owner. As such, that would probably beget an INTENSIFIED search of your car's contents. Not a good thing. Same deal for NRA decals, bumper-stickers, etc., all which scream "seach me". Better to stick "Save Vegetarian Gay Whales For Hillary" and "Expand Trial Lawyers' Welfare" bumper stickers on your iron steed.
I like the proposed idea (Bartley's?) about "planting" incriminating stuff in-and-around key co. execs' cars -- and secretly video-taping any subsequent searches.
Remember, any subterfuge actions discussed here are strictly to challenge corporate POLICIES -- not state or federal laws. And, it's those very same laws (which often fail to block/preempt such anti-2A company policies) that we must seek to change via legitimate political action.
mons meg
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FWIW, last fall Oklahoma passed an amendment to our Self Defense Act which basically protects your right to leave your CCW in a locked vehicle on private company property. It was immediately challenged by several major corporations (those involved in the employee firings) and AFAIK, the law is still under an injunction pending outcome of the suit.
Any of my fellow red dirt runners hear any updates on this?
Any of my fellow red dirt runners hear any updates on this?
I live in Washington where we have ferries run from Seattle to the islands and peninsulas. They have bomb sniffing dogs that check cars, but not people. I have had the dogs sniffing around by me (not in my car) while I was carrying and the dogs didn't do anything. This has happened three times that I remember. They've also sniffed around my car but never detected anything. Maybe they could smell the gun or ammo, but they didn't alert their masters to it.
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Excellent first post, skwang! You will get along just fine here!
MillCreek
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Ditto to the experience of this poster. I live in the Puget Sound area and take the ferries from time to time. This was a matter of some interest to me since immediately after 9/11, our State Patrol, who is in charge of ferry security, was talking about banning firearms on our state ferries. As an alternative, they proposed either stowing any firearms with the ferry captain (!) or you could just drive around the long way rather than ride the ferry. Many people pointed out that certain islands, such as Vashon and the San Juans, are accessible only by ferry. The Washington State Ferry system currently follows state law and does allow the carry of firearms with a CCW or unloaded and stored in the car.
DSRUPTV
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1. Stow your Car Gun and ammo in an air-tight Pelican case... and inside a second locking case, such as a good briefcase or tool-box.
Wouldn't this kind of defeat the purpose of having a gun in your car anyways? It seems like it would take a long time to get to if the need arose.
Wouldn't this kind of defeat the purpose of having a gun in your car anyways? It seems like it would take a long time to get to if the need arose.
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Why not ask to company to install driveup lockers for employees to store guns in, as they enter the property?
Get a record of your request and IF you had a video of a dog hitting on the cars of management and not being searched…. if you ever do get fired for having a gun in your car, or get shot on your way home, sue the company.
What dose the policy say about ammo? I would assume that dogs would hit on ammo.
Save up drippings from cleaning muzzle loaders and hang it from a tree that overhangs the road so it will drip on cars as they approach work. get a cheep holster and leave it in a place that it would be found and set back and enjoy the show.
Get a record of your request and IF you had a video of a dog hitting on the cars of management and not being searched…. if you ever do get fired for having a gun in your car, or get shot on your way home, sue the company.
What dose the policy say about ammo? I would assume that dogs would hit on ammo.
Save up drippings from cleaning muzzle loaders and hang it from a tree that overhangs the road so it will drip on cars as they approach work. get a cheep holster and leave it in a place that it would be found and set back and enjoy the show.
I don't know what they train gun sniffer dogs to find (powder residue, oils??) but I did see a program (TV) were a trained bloodhound was able to track a little girl who'd been abducted. If my memory is correct, he trail was 2-3 days old and the police had determined that the girl was abducted and put in the BG's car.
The dog not only picked up the trail at the abduction site, but also followed it for like 7 miles to the girl's remains. They'd figured that dog was picking up microscopic skin cells that had been left in the air. Kind of like tiny, faint bread crumbs. Now that is sensitive.
The dog not only picked up the trail at the abduction site, but also followed it for like 7 miles to the girl's remains. They'd figured that dog was picking up microscopic skin cells that had been left in the air. Kind of like tiny, faint bread crumbs. Now that is sensitive.
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