'Castle doctrine' lesson? Stay out of the wrong castle

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'Castle doctrine' lesson? Stay out of the wrong castle
http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060705/COL0412/607050320/1171/OPINION

By Sid Salter
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Detractors of Mississippi's new "Castle doctrine" law are fretting as Senate Bill 2426 goes into effect this week.

They say that the law legitimizes the notion of "shoot first and ask questions later."

They say that the law will make it easier for criminals to claim self-defense when they kill someone.

They say that the law will encourage more people to buy guns and empower them to use them without fear of civil liability if they injure or kill someone.

All three of those criticisms are correct.

But there's a simple solution to those problem areas in the "Castle doctrine."

People who stay out of the wrong "castle" should be fine. It's difficult to be shot as an intruder if one only enters homes or cars or businesses to which one has both a key to gain entrance and a legal right to be on the premises.

The new law removes the "duty to retreat" when one is threatened in his or her home, car or in the street. It also removes civil liability from killing an intruder or attacker.

But the protections don't apply when a person claims self-defense when shooting a law enforcement officer or another person who has a lawful right to be on the premises of the shooting.

Further, the "duty to retreat" has never existed in state law prior to the adoption of the "Castle doctrine."

But that's mostly legalese.

The safety valve for the "Castle doctrine" is for burglars, crackheads, carjackers, strong-arm robbers, muggers, rapists, thieves and other assorted boils on the butt of humanity to stay out of homes, cars, stores, offices and other domiciles that don't belong to them and to stop mugging, robbing, raping and stealing.

Those who utilize that course of action aren't terribly likely to be shot. Those who don't likely will be.

The notion that homeowners, young single women, elderly widows, or business people should find themselves the victims of crime and feel it necessary to run down a checklist before defending their lives, the lives of their loved ones or their property before taking action is ridiculous.

This law doesn't turn Mississippi into Dodge City. It simply defines the circumstances in which innocent people can make an effort to protect themselves. In the broader sense, the law does something else - or should.

The "Castle doctrine" should serve notice on those who choose a life of crime that the consequences of that choice may prove dire indeed - and that potential victims may indeed "shoot first and ask questions later."

Again, there's a safety valve for those criminals. It's called not breaking the law in the first place.

The thing that makes the "Castle doctrine" a viable law as opposed to an exercise in political pandering to the gun lobby is that most gun owners were already living by the doctrine.

On the street, gun owners and even some law enforcement types understood that if they shot an intruder, they might want to pull the body inside the door or window rather than leaving it outside.

But for most Mississippians who own handguns and long guns as well, the idea of not protecting one's property with deadly force was never an option.

This state is too rural and too plagued with drug crime for it to be otherwise.

In addition to property crimes, the notion that civil liability should exist for a driver who uses a pistol to fend off a carjacker or other intruder is ludicrous.

Women attacked in department store parking lots, elderly women alone in rural settings or anyone made prisoner in his or her own home by crime should have the right to feel safe there. More than that, they should have the right to defend themselves.

I have no sympathy for criminals wounded or killed in the commission of their crimes by citizens under the "Castle doctrine" - because they were simply in the wrong castle at the wrong time.


Contact Perspective Editor Sid Salter at (601) 961-7084 or e-mail [email protected]. Visit his blog at www.clarionledger.com/misc/blogs/ssalter/sidblog.html
 
While the Mississippi castle doctrine law prohibits civil damages against a castle owner, it does not prohibit civil litigation for such damages against the castle owner.
I've read this sentence six times, and I still don't understand what it's trying to say.

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While the Mississippi castle doctrine law prohibits civil damages against a castle owner, it does not prohibit civil litigation for such damages against the castle owner.

I've read this sentence six times, and I still don't understand what it's trying to say.

It means there can be no damages awarded, but they can still sue you. You would still need to defend yourself, although even if find liable there is no penalty since there are no damages awarded.
 
It means there can be no damages awarded, but they can still sue you. You would still need to defend yourself, although even if find liable there is no penalty since there are no damages awarded.
True, but there won't be many ambulance chaser lawyers who will be willing to file such a lawsuit knowing that the defense will immediately move for dismissal under the grounds that there is no legal liability under the law. 33% of zero is still zero according to my math, and not many attorneys in private practice will take a case knowing in advance that they won't get paid a penny for their time.
 
As a Mississippian, I'm glad to see this coming here finally.

But I still don't understand why anyone calls this a "shoot first and ask questions later" law. I guess they're just trying to scare people.
 
The "duty to retreat laws" all have a disturbingly racist history.

The Sweet case of 1925 shook people up across the nation. The Sweet family were in a home owned by a black doctor name of Henry Sweet in Detroit - in a white neighborhood. They shot at a charging lynch mob and were prosecuted unsuccessfully for murder, defended by Clarence Darrow before all-white juries.

The idea that a black could legally shoot a white under any circumstances was viewed with horror by legislators across the nation. "Duty to retreat" was one way of setting a higher self defense standard that wouldn't be applied to "the proper sort of people".

That's why despite California's nasty gun control laws in general, that particular bit of madness never got started here and our self defense laws are basically "same as daytime in Texas" and always have been.

California has racism now and in it's past, but it's past racism was not in the same class as Mississippi.
 
Jim,

Try and get an anti to actually admit to the history of the requirement to retreat. Statists will never acknowledge the right of self defense. Innocent, law abiding folks are too bloodthirsty to be granted the "priviledge" of defending themselves, dontcha know. :rolleyes:
 
Mississippi is in trouble

Since Florida passed our "Stand your ground law/castle doctrine" the streets have been flowing with the blood of innocents, I suspect by next week there won't be a living soul here.
 
The notion that homeowners, young single women, elderly widows, or business people should find themselves the victims of crime and feel it necessary to run down a checklist before defending their lives, the lives of their loved ones or their property before taking action is ridiculous.

Amen!
 
suing without the possibility of being awarded anything reminds me of my teachers policy regarding exessive absenses. her policy was that after a certain amount of missed classes she wont kick you out of the class, she just guarantees that you get an f grade. sounds like this law is making sure the criminal has the right to sue, but is making sure they arent awarded anything. like the teachers policy didnt mess with the students right to attend class , it just made sure that if the student didnt do what they needed to do they wouldnt be rewarded with a passing grade.
 
I just read the original post again, and thei popped out at me;
But the protections don't apply when a person claims self-defense when shooting a law enforcement officer or another person who has a lawful right to be on the premises of the shooting.
Wopuld this mean if you accidently shoot an innocent bystander while fighting off a threat, that you can be sued? Or something else?
 
Wopuld this mean if you accidently shoot an innocent bystander while fighting off a threat, that you can be sued?

Yes, exactly. YOU are responsible for every bullet you fire, and if one hits an innocent bystander, you may be held liable both civilly and criminally. You will have violated one of the basic rules of firearms safety: Be sure of your target and what's behind it. :uhoh:
 
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