"Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys" makes the news!

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From Reuters

PARIS (Reuters) - It's the diplomatic equivalent of water rolling off a duck's
back. Bashing the French does not beat them down -- au contraire, it only
makes them more convinced they must be right.

The air has been thick with insult these days, both over the Atlantic and
across the Channel, as the United States and Britain pile pressure and
scorn on their reluctant ally to support an attack against Iraq.

"Cheese-eating surrender monkeys," "the rat that roared," "the petulant
prima donna of realpolitik" -- the epithets flung at France by the U.S. and
British media can easily make a reader forget they're talking about
America's oldest ally.

U.S. officials have hardly been diplomatic either. Secretary of Defense
Donald Rumsfeld has written off France as part of "old Europe" and said its
opposition to emergency NATO (news - web sites) measures to boost
Turkey's defenses is a disgrace.

If all this was meant to bully France into changing its mind, it's not working.

France's reaction has been to redouble its efforts against a U.S.-led war,
blocking NATO war preparations in Turkey and plugging for an extension of
United Nations (news - web sites) arms inspections that an exasperated
Washington insists are now useless.

Jean-Pierre Raffarin, the easy-going prime minister who rarely speaks about
foreign policy, shot back last Friday at President Bush (news - web sites)'s
"the game is over" statement by saying: "It's not a game, it's not over."

FRENCH LOGIC

Paris media report on the anti-French vitriol seething through U.S. and
British opinion columns with an air of bemused incomprehension, as if to
say: What a faux pas! How could those Anglo-Saxons be so unreasonable?

"The French don't have a very good press in the United States these days,"
the left-wing daily Liberation wrote with sublime understatement Monday.

The conservative daily Le Figaro echoed pride in France's long tradition of
Cartesian logic when it praised Foreign Minister Dominique de Villepin's plan
for reinforced arms inspections in Iraq.

"Even if it worsens French-American relations, the attempt is in any event
quite logical," it observed.

Pascal Boniface, a leading French world affairs analyst, said Americans
suffered from a Francophobia as bad as the anti-Americanism that's
politically correct in France.

"I was in the U.S. last week and couldn't turn on the television without
hearing nonsense about France," he said.

Anti-Americanism has such deep roots in French thinking that no less than
three serious books on the subject were published last autumn. Bashing
from across the Atlantic hardly counts because the French do not take the
bashers seriously.

France, as the new books show, believes it is special because the values of
liberty, equality and fraternity proclaimed by the 1789 French Revolution
have universal appeal.

But the United States, which declared its independence in 1776 with a
similarly universal view of human rights, has long since overtaken France on
the world stage.

As the Wall Street Journal editor Max Boot
put it in an article echoing the anti-French
mood in the United States:

"France has been in decline since, oh, about
1815, and it isn't happy about it. What
particularly galls the Gauls is that their rightful
place in the world has been usurped by the
gauche Americans, with their hamburgers and
blue jeans."

BOTH SIDES' WORST SIDES

What's worse, both states are led by men seen
by the other side as caricatures of all they can't stand in their partner.

Bush's folksy talk, religious piety and unilateral stands go down in France
like nails scratching on a blackboard.

"Bush crystallizes all that we hate in America," Pascal Bruckner, a usually
pro-American essayist, wrote last year.

President Jacques Chirac and the flamboyant Villepin embody for
Americans a haughty arrogance and spineless opportunism they say is the
trademark of French diplomacy.

To rub it in, U.S. commentators recall French collaboration with Nazi
Germany and the U.S. and British-led liberation of France -- a memory the
Gaullist tradition prefers to play down.

In one of the most venomous articles of recent days, the Wall Street
Journal ran a comment by author Christopher Hitchens denouncing Chirac
as "a positive monster of conceit ... the abject procurer for Saddam ... the
rat that tried to roar."

"Let's hope for Jacques Chirac's sake that he doesn't read the Wall Street
Journal and the Elysee Palace forgot to include it in its press review
yesterday," Liberation wrote in a short report on the broadside from the
U.S. business daily.
 
Pssst. Wanna buy a French rifle? Mint condition, never fired, only dropped once.

Going to war without the French is like going hunting without an accordian.:evil:
 
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America's oldest ally indeed. They were just being typically snotty to the British.
 
I saw an interview with Saadams Bombmaker on CNN.

He pretty clearly stated that it was France and Germany who sold Iraq the materials and equipment they needed to make weapons of mass destruction, both chemical and Nuclear.

No surprise that they are against disarmament:scrutiny:
 
France, Germany, & Russia all have big business investments in Iraq and IMO they're thinking that they can protect their interests by protecting the current regime, so at least appearing to. They've put short term self-interest ahead of longterm benefit (i.e a more stable middle East) that all the world might share in, and I hope we make them pay for that when the dust settles.
 
"You either stand with America, or you stand against America."

Or something like that. Once the Iraq issue is resolved, I intend to keep reminding our government leaders about France, Germany and the others who didn't stand with America.
You stand by your friends, right or wrong!

Bastards!
 
France as America's oldest ally? What nonsense.

The France which assisted the U.S. during the Revolutionary War was extinguished by its own revolution in 1789, and the concept of Liberty, Equality, and Fraternity was borrowed from the Americans.

Nations change, and sometimes they change everything except their names and borders....
 
You stand by your friends, right or wrong!

Seriously? Next time my friends want to do a drive-by, I better hop on board... Point being that I am not so sure friendship is a blank check of support no matter what enterprise is planned.
 
Friendship doesn't exist between states

And France is not our oldest ally; they're apparently not an ally at all, which should trouble the Frenchmen more than it troubles us.

The only question now is to what lengths will the French government go to undermine U.S. interests. Will terrorists be free to operate there without fear of discovery and arrest?

It's all about Europian business interests, as stated above. France is in no position to dictate military policy in this matter and should know it.

Here's a fantasy battle for you: The entire present-day French military against the Texas National Guard and military reserves.
 
Wish I could claim credit for this :D

For you historians out there: The Complete Military History of France

-Gallic Wars- Lost. In a war whose ending foreshadows the next 2000 years of French history, France is conquered by, of all things, an Italian.

-Hundred Years War- Mostly lost, saved at last moment by schizophrenic teenaged girl, who inadvertently creates The First Rule of French Warfare; "France's armies are victorious only when not led by a Frenchman."

-Italian Wars- Lost. France becomes the first and only country to ever lose two wars when fighting Italians.

-Wars of Religion- France go 0-5-4 against the Huguenots

-Thirty Years War- France is technically not a participant, but manages to get invaded anyway, and claims a tie on the basis that eventually the other participants started ignoring them.

-War of Devolution- Tied. Frenchmen take to wearing red flowerpots as chapeaux.

-The Dutch War- Tied

-War of the Augsburg League/King William's War/French and Indian War- Lost, but claimed a tie. Three ties in a row induce deluded Frogophiles the world over to label the period as the height of French military power.

-War of the Spanish Succession- Lost. The War also gave the French their first taste of a Marlborough, which they have loved every since.

-American Revolution- In a move that will become quite familiar to future Americans, France claims a win even though the English colonists saw far more action. This is later known as "de Gaulle Syndrome", and leads to the Second Rule of French Warfare; "France only wins when America does most of the fighting."

-French Revolution- Won, primarily due the fact that the opponent was also French.

-The Napoleonic Wars- Lost. Temporary victories (remember the First Rule!) due to leadership of a Corsican, who ended up being no match for a British footwear designer.

-The Franco-Prussian War- Lost. Germany plays the role of drunken Frat boy to France's ugly girl home alone on a Saturday night.

-World War I- Tied and on the way to losing, France is saved by the United States. Thousands of French women find out what it's like to not only sleep with a winner, but one who doesn't call her "Fraulein." Sadly, widespread use of condoms by American forces forestalls any improvement in the French bloodline.

-World War II- Lost. Conquered French liberated by the United States and Britain just as they finish learning the Horst Weasel Song.

-War in Indochina- Lost. French forces plead sickness; take to bed with the Dien Bien Flu.

-Algerian Rebellion- Lost. Loss marks the first defeat of a western army by a Non-Turkic Muslim force since the Crusades, and produces the First Rule of Muslim Warfare; "We can always beat the French." This rule is identical to the First Rules of the Italians, Russians, Germans, English, Dutch, Spanish, Vietnamese and Esquimaux.

-War on Terrorism- France, keeping in mind its recent history, surrenders to Germans and Muslims just to be safe. Attempts to surrender to Vietnamese ambassador but fails after he takes refuge in a McDonald's.

-- Chuck
 
Whereas all of this French-bashing is kinda humorous, we soon may find ourselves facing them as opposed to having them beside us. FDR made a small mistake just prior to the North Africa landing by trusting in the inate goodness of the French and actually announcing the invasion. Some fought, some died. Most gave up and joined up on (once again) the winning side as soon as they saw which way the wind was blowing.

I think that if the USA finds that either Germany or French gov't/business' have been assisting the Iraqi's development of WMD AFTER the UN Resolution, they should have the utmost serious charges brought against them, be lined up and forced to drink cheap 3.2 beer (for the Germans) and MD 20-20 (for the French) with no potty breaks, 'till they learn their lesson.

Shooting's too good for them (If they assisted Iraq).

But I could be wrong.

Adios
 
Enough French-bashing. Disagreement over national policy doesn't mean we have to call them names, any more than disagreements over the UK policies should cause us to offend British THR members, or disliking California to offend folks who reside there.
 
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