class 3 deployment question

[bootsbegone]

I belong to a combat unit currently re-equipping for another tour to Afghanistan. Supply was denied purchasing more reflex sights, suppressors and PDWs for some reason.
there is however a loophole, if any of this is "personally" acquired we will be able to take it with us. I am fully aware of the legal process that goes with acquiring this type of equipment. My primary concern is price, most soldiers can't outright afford it. any establishment offer group rates or some sort of compromising on price?

 

[Mags]

I don't know what unit you are with but if you are special enough to be allowed personally owned PDWs, and suppressors you should be special enough to get Uncle Sam to buy what you need.

So sorry I call BS.

Also this:

any establishment offer group rates or some sort of compromising on price?

If you were for real you could use GSA Advantage for this type of thing.

 

[Aaron Baker]

Well, you can certainly buy your own reflex sights, no problem.

What kind of PDWs are we talking? I doubt anyone is gonna buy a full-auto weapon at civilian prices and take it into combat. (Never mind that they're all pre-1984.) So that doesn't help you any.

If you're just talking about wanting something with a short barrel, but have to buy it yourself, skip the tax stamp and just buy the parts, then wait until you get to Afghanistan to install the short barrel on the weapon. There's no NFA in Afghanistan.

Suppressor is a little more difficult, I guess. The question is: why do you need them? If they were really mission critical, I'd think you could get them issued to you. But it IS possible to build your own. I don't know what facilities you have in Afghanistan, but again, the NFA doesn't apply there.

Perhaps be clearer about what you want to purchase (model wise) and you might get some better answers.

Aaron

 

[Mags]

Actually Aaron due to ITAR exporting most reflex sights is a no-no, regardless of if it is done or not. Also good luck getting suppressors through customs. Normally you can just buy the equipment off the guys heading home, again I really doubt the legitimacy of the poster due to the illegal aspect of what is trying to be done. It breaks SOFA and trade agreements and for someone in charge of a group of soldiers and someone who has supposedly deployed before it seems pretty irresponsible.

If the OP is really serious he would consult the base legal office before an internet forum.

Also I do not know much about the stolen valor act but if you are claiming to be in the military and are not you better watch out.

 

[Al Thompson]

Yep. IMHO, Mags called this one exactly right. Purchasing PDWs? No.

 

[Aaron Baker]

Interesting. You folks that have been in the military certainly know better than me about what the military will and will not allow you to do.

I also know next to nothing about the ITAR, but it seems like if you're carrying it abroad for your own use, and not for sale or export to foreign nationals, it may not violate the ITAR.

Aaron

P.S. I'd still like to know what the OP supposedly wants in the way of PDWs, suppressors and reflex sights.

 

[GoingQuiet]

Its actually not ITAR - it's AECA 76 thanks to Jimmy Carter.

 

[Mags]

Thanks for clarifying had no idea about AECA.

 

[kingpin008]

I find it interesting that the OP has been online since his original post, but hasn't dropped in to clarify things for us.

 

[CapnMac]

has been online since his original post, but hasn't dropped in to clarify things for us

Too busy taping anti-ninja ballistic plates on? Mall is having a sale?

 

[Arkansas Paul]

Okay, this is gonna sound stupid, but I'm not tacticool or anything. My main interests lay in hunting rifles so I don't know much about the tactical stuff.
What is a PDW?

 

[Aaron Baker]

PDW = Personal Defense Weapon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDW

That's one of the things that interested me about this post. It depends on what you think of as an PDW. Assuming there weren't export regulations or military regulations to deal with, you could conceivably take a civilian PS90 and a short barrel along with you, then install the short barrel once you got to Afghanistan. No NFA problems outside the country, and then you've got a P90 with the normal short barrel. Of course, that still doesn't make it select fire.

Along the same lines, you could take a MAC 10 or MAC 11 semi-auto pistol, along with a stock (not attached) and the parts to make the MAC full-auto, and do the assembly in Afghanistan.

But really, is one of those options for a "PDW" going to be better than the M4 you're issued?

I really doubt you're gonna be able to take a Glock 17 along with you and somehow convert it to Glock 18 specs in the field. Ditto for a Beretta 92 to 93r.

Not sure how you'd get a PDW in the US otherwise. None of these are legal for CHEAP civilian ownership, thanks to the NFA.

Aaron

 

[Sam1911]

Closed. OP contact a Moderator to reopen discussion.