colt detective special vs colt cobra

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I've been looking around for a colt detective special. I'm interested in particular in the older, first issue model. But since I intend to use it as an occassional carry piece, I'm wondering if I wouldn't be better off with the Colt Cobra since it's lighter. Here are my questions: does the light alloy of the cobra stand up better over time. That is, would a gun of that vintage be as strong and tight as the Det. specials usually are. And, would it be uncomfortable to shoot, owing to its light weight. Any thoughts? Also, any comparisons to the model 36 (just out of curiosity).
 
It depends on how you intend to carry. Most of the “pencil-barreled” Colt’s (which I also prefer) have the full-sized frame rather then the “short-butt.” I find them to work fine in a holster, but be to big for pocket carry. When going to a holster I almost always choose an all-steel gun. The additional weight makes them easier to shoot accurately, and refinishing presents much fewer problems. They also wear better because the aluminum Cobra is softer.

The only advantage the (aluminum) Cobra has over the (steel) Detective Special is weight, and the difference isn’t all that much.

How tight and well timed either model may be depends on how much they were used, and how. On the used market you find them in all sorts of conditions, but be aware that the like-new ones are becoming very expensive. What you want to look for is one in perfect mechanical condition, but with a little finish wear. You sometimes find examples that were carried, but never fired!

Jim March posted a checklist at the beginning of The High Road’s revolver sub-forum that explains how to check out used revolvers, and it applies to Colt’s in particular. Read it and learn some good tips.

As a general rule of thumb I consider the workmanship in the older guns is better then the latest production. It all came down to labor costs, and how many guns an assembler was supposed to build within a given time frame. They were all individually hand fitted.

In terms of recoil, I don’t find a great difference between the Cobra and Detective Special because both have relatively large handles which give good support within the hand. S&W J-frames are another matter.

Smith & Wesson’s line of J-frame snubbies is smaller, but only hold five rounds. The only substantial advantage I see in them is when one pocket carries.
 
Colt detective is a fine choice

I have the Colt Detective and have been carrying it for years. I like it much better than the lightweight alloy guns because it kicks less and I have better control with quick follow-up shots. I carry it IWB holster. It is a little larger than the S&W J frame guns but you have a little more to hang on to with better control and the extra shot is a bonus.
 
I much prefer the Cobra and Agents with alluminum frames. Why, because they are a pleasure to carry. I have all three models and never carry the Dectective special. Now, is there somewhat more recoil with a lighter gun,a bit, but I can't tell the difference. Will the alluminum hold up better than steel, probably not but you have to do a lot of shooting to really wear out an alluminum framed gun or shoot +P's in the gun. The Cobra's and Agents will last your lifetime if you don't abuse them with hot loads or +p's. Stick with standard 38's and it will give you a lifetime of pleasure. I find the agent grip is better for carry. If you purchase a 60's or newer Cobra you can put a agent grip on the gun, that's what I did. I carry Federal Nyclads NON +p's or the new Hornaday Critical defense rounds non +P. See "Best Choices for Self Defense Ammunition". 38 Hornaday FXT v Speed Gold dot 135v Cor Bon DPX.
 
Something I forgot was how you were to carry the gun. In a hip holster the weight doesn't matter as much. Ankel holster is the way I carry, and the extra weight makes a BIG difference for me. In the way I walk, in how long I can carry it. On me the heavier weight guns tend to shift around more when you walk. Alluminum is the only way to go in an ankel rig. Shoulder holsters can be uncomfortable if the weight is too much. Same with pocket carry in a jacket. The gun won't sag the jacket and look like your carrying a brick. Remember if the gun is too heavy you will leave it home. These are the things that affect me. Someone else may not be bothered by them.
 
I had in mind to use this gun as a winter cc. I would either use a shoulder rig or iwb.
 
I've had both guns and prefer the DS. I bought a 54 vintage Cobra that I carried for years. The Cobra was light and a dream to carry. However, because of the alloy frame I don't believe they last very long if fired a lot. Mine was unfired when I bought it and had only seen 25 rounds when I sold it.
 
I love my DS and I shoot it well. The extra weight really helps with follow up shots and on a good belt holster I can almost forget that it is there.
 
They all three shoot well and hold up well.

You should have one of each. ;)

Seriously, I started with a DS and carried it for a long time with no problems, went to an Agent then a Cobra.

I'd trust and carry any of the three on any day of the week.

DS
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Agent (current carry)
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Cobra
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I have several Colt Police Positives, Detective Specials and Cobras which I prefer for carry. You don't want to use +P in any of the pre-war guns at all. Limited use of +P is OK in the postwar guns, but you don't want to overdo it, because it does accelerate wear. The later post-1972 shrouded barrel models were +P rated, but you want to limit use of +P in any light alloy frame revolvers, I don't care who makes them. This link has solid info on the Colts and Grant is one of the best gunsmiths in the US to work on them.http://www.grantcunningham.com/coltammo.html
 
It depends on how you intend to carry. Most of the “pencil-barreled” Colt’s (which I also prefer) have the full-sized frame rather then the “short-butt.” I find them to work fine in a holster, but be to big for pocket carry. When going to a holster I almost always choose an all-steel gun. The additional weight makes them easier to shoot accurately, and refinishing presents much fewer problems. They also wear better because the aluminum Cobra is softer.

The only advantage the (aluminum) Cobra has over the (steel) Detective Special is weight, and the difference isn’t all that much.

Great summation and I agree with everything said except that the weight difference "isn't all that much". True, the difference between the DS and the Cobra is only six ounces or so but, imo, that extra weight is six ounces too much when the revolver is carried in a pocket.
 
Great summation and I agree with everything said except that the weight difference "isn't all that much". True, the difference between the DS and the Cobra is only six ounces or so but, imo, that extra weight is six ounces too much when the revolver is carried in a pocket.

I somewhat agree, but I don't consider my Detective Special (pencil barrel/full frame) to be a pocket gun unless it's a coat pocket. When the Detective Special is carried in a conventional belt or shoulder holster I don't notice the weight difference.

When going to side pockets in my pants I opt for a smaller/lighter S&W J-frame or Taurus. I did try an older Agent with the extra-short stocks, but then the diameter of the cylinder made a noticeable bulge.

While holster carrying the larger Colt is a little more dificult, when or if you have to use it there is a noticeable advntage.
 
I did try an older Agent with the extra-short stocks, but then the diameter of the cylinder made a noticeable bulge.

That "noticeable bulge" amounts to a difference of about 1/10th of an inch between the cylinders of a Cobra/Agent and a typical Smith J-frame (1.400 vs 1.309). Maybe you just wear tighter pants than me...:)
 
I go in for the sloppy look, and my clothes are so baggy someone might think I was a way-over-the-hill gangbanger... :D

I think it's a combination of the slightly larger cylinder combined with a slightly bigger frame, but in any case I do notice the difference. I have always personally favored the Detective Special in (usually) an IWB holster. Those that don't find any problems are welcome to go ahead with the Cobera or Agent, and pocket carry. It should be noted that by changing the stocks either one can become the other. ;)
 
It should be noted that by changing the stocks either one can become the other.

Always the case with the Agent but the transition from "long" stock to "short" (Agent) stock with the Cobra can only be done with Cobras made after 1967 or so (when the Cobra grip frame became the same size as the Agent but came equipped with longer grips).
 
Always the case with the Agent but the transition from "long" stock to "short" (Agent) stock with the Cobra can only be done with Cobras made after 1967 or so (when the Cobra grip frame became the same size as the Agent but came equipped with longer grips).

I know all that, but I was too lazy to take the time to go into finite detail, and besides I knew you'd come along and do the work for me... :scrutiny: :evil: :D

Incidentally, I have seen some "long frame" revolvers that were shortened so that the later (and more easily obtained) "short frame" stocks could be used. I have thought of doing something along these lines, but so far haven't.
 
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