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The following story discusses a case the Supreme Court has agreed to take, that frontally addresses the overreaching interpretation of the Commerce Clause.

I think this will be interesting, because the conservatives, who would be expected to support reigning in the Commerce Clause interpretation, are likely to want to support the government's position on outlawing marijuana, while the liberal wing, who would normally want to support the federal government's power within the states, is likely to want to support medical marijuana.

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Supreme Court to Hear Medical Pot Case
Monday, June 28, 2004


WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court (search) said Monday it will consider whether sick people who smoke pot on a doctor's orders are subject to a federal ban on marijuana.

The court agreed to hear the Bush administration's appeal of a case it lost last year involving two California women who say marijuana is the only drug that helps alleviate their chronic pain (search) and other medical problems.

The high court will hear the case sometime next winter. It was among eight new cases the court added to its calendar for the coming term. The current term is expected to end this week.

The marijuana case came to the Supreme Court after the San Francisco-based 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled in December that a federal law outlawing marijuana does not apply to California patients whose doctors have prescribed the drug.

In its 2-1 decision, the appeals court said prosecuting medical marijuana (search) users under the federal Controlled Substances Act is unconstitutional if the marijuana is not sold, transported across state lines or used for non-medicinal purposes.

Judge Harry Pregerson wrote for the appeals court majority that smoking pot on the advice of a doctor is "different in kind from drug trafficking." The court added that "this limited use is clearly distinct from the broader illicit drug market."

In its appeal to the justices, the government argued that state laws making exceptions for "medical marijuana" are trumped by federal drug laws.

Congress passed the Controlled Substances Act to control "all manufacturing, possession and distribution of any" drug it lists, Bush administration Supreme Court lawyer Theodore Olson wrote.

"That goal cannot be achieved if the intrastate manufacturing, possession and distribution of a drug may occur without any federal regulation."

California's 1996 medical marijuana law allows people to grow, smoke or obtain marijuana for medical needs with a doctor's recommendation. Alaska, Arizona, Colorado, Hawaii, Maine, Nevada, Oregon and Washington state have laws similar to California. Thirty-five states have passed legislation recognizing marijuana's medicinal value.

In states with medical marijuana laws, doctors can give written or oral recommendations on marijuana to patients with cancer, HIV and other serious illnesses.

The case concerned two seriously ill California women, Angel Raich and Diane Monson. The two had sued Attorney General John Ashcroft, asking for a court order letting them smoke, grow or obtain marijuana without fear of federal prosecution.

Raich, a 38-year-old Oakland woman suffering from ailments including scoliosis, a brain tumor, chronic nausea, fatigue and pain, smokes marijuana every few hours. She said she was partly paralyzed until she started smoking pot.

In 2001, the Supreme Court ruled that members-only clubs that had formed to distribute medical marijuana could not claim their activity was protected by "medical necessity," even if patients have a doctor's recommendation to use the drug.

Last fall, however, the high court refused to hear a separate Bush administration request to consider whether the federal government can punish doctors for recommending the drug to sick patients.

The case is Ashcroft v. Raich, 03-1454.
 
Congress passed the Controlled Substances Act to control "all manufacturing, possession and distribution of any" drug it lists, Bush administration Supreme Court lawyer Theodore Olson wrote.

"That goal cannot be achieved if the intrastate manufacturing, possession and distribution of a drug may occur without any federal regulation."
It seems to me that "[t]hat goal" is clearly the problem. Nowhere does the Constitution give the Congress that power. And the 10th Amendment therefore clearly reserves that power to the States. Which appears to be what two of three Circuit Court judges ruled.
 
That actually is my point. There is a decent chance that that precedent may be overturned.
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Judge Harry Pregerson wrote for the appeals court majority that smoking pot on the advice of a doctor is "different in kind from drug trafficking."

Pot is pot is pot. It's none of anybody's big nosy business—as long as people aren't toking and driving, obviously.
 
El T - Yep, Ohio. But they also narrowed the commerce interpretation, slightly, in 95 with Lopez, right?

So, if they decide to actually rule on the case, doesn't it become a question of how much of a connection they see re: commerce?
 
A narrow ruling (given recent history, the kind that SCOTUS is most likely to decide on) will most likely find that in this specific kind of case (medical marijuana prescribed by a doctor) the activity described is legal and not regulatable by Congress. If they are not asked in written and/or oral argument to decide whether Congress has the power to prohibit manufacture, possession, and/or intra-state distribution, they most likely won't. The current Court has shown a decided distaste for large, sweeping decisions.

However, if argument is made by the appellant (Riach) the Congress lacks the power to prohibit manufacture, possession, and/or intrastate distribution, they might have to issue a broader ruling.

I don't think even the most ardent 10th Amendment fan can come up with a coherent argument tha Congress can't prohibit the interstate traffic in narcotics.

The good news, if SCOTUS issues a broad ruling, would be the obvious application to manufacture, possession, and/or intrastate dealing in firearms. Wonder if CCRKBA will file an amicus brief on this?
 
The case certainly has the potential to end the modern federal government, so I suspect they will indeed go for a narrow ruling. But I really wish they'd go whole hog. If the Commerce Clause is truly limited to interstate commerce in its real-life meaning, then most of the laws passed since the 1940s are either gone or at dire risk.
 
TallPine, precisely the point. The federal government clearly has the power to regulate interstate commerce in marijuana (though some would go so far as to argue that that power only extends to making sure that said interstate commerce proceeds in an orderly fashion), but those of us who believe in a constitutionally-limited federal government clearly see that they have no authority to regulate a product that is grown or manufactured, sold, and used within the confines of a single state.
 
I don't think even the most ardent 10th Amendment fan can come up with a coherent argument tha Congress can't prohibit the interstate traffic in narcotics.

1911 beat me to it. The commerce clause was never intended to be the fountain of power, enabling any and all regulation. It was intended to ensure a nationwide free trade zone, preventing tariffs (and wars about tariffs) among the states.

That's all it was intended to do, and everyone knew it when the Marihuana Tax Act was passed, which is why they cloaked prohibition in a regulation attached to a tax, not one attached to the control of interstate commerce.

In another article about this case, I found this quotation from the 9th circuit judge:

Judge Harry Pregerson wrote that states are free to adopt medical marijuana laws so long as the marijuana is not sold, transported across state lines or used for non-medicinal purposes.

It is interesting to note that the Judge I quoted is basically going back in time, saying that as long as it's not commerce and it's not happening interstate, the feds have no jurisdiction. Bravo, right up until that last part. His extremely nuanced reading of the commerce clause apparently tells him that it must be interstate and/or commerce, or it must be non-medicinal, in order for federal authority to exist.

I must have the Readers' Digest truncated version of Article 1, Section 8, because I can't for the life of me figure out where he got that idea. Anybody got a copy which has that part about "non-medicinal" in there?
 
By the way, Mr. Olson is right:

In its appeal to the justices, the government argued that state laws making exceptions for "medical marijuana" are trumped by federal drug laws.

Congress passed the Controlled Substances Act to control "all manufacturing, possession and distribution of any" drug it lists, Bush administration Supreme Court lawyer Theodore Olson wrote.

"That goal cannot be achieved if the intrastate manufacturing, possession and distribution of a drug may occur without any federal regulation."

So the commerce clause creates a nationwide federal regulatory authority (one it didn't create back in the 30s, but living documents do grow...:rolleyes: ) because one is needed?

I don't think so. If they wanted that authority, they should have amended the Constitution like they did with alcohol.
 
publius - It did create national federal regulatory authority in the 30s. The case El Tejon alluded to was over a farmer who grew more than his permitted quote of wheat. He sold the amount he had been given federal permission (thank you, FDR) to grow, and used the rest to feed his family. He was convicted by the Feds for doing so, and the Supreme Court upheld the conviction.
 
Which would mean that all Congress has to do to keep me from growing tomatoes in my back yard for my family is to pass a law and tell argue in front of a judge that I was affecting interstate commerce?

Phltltltlttl !!!

Rick
 
Wickard v. Filburn was just rationalization by a Court determined to rule everything the feds wanted to do constitutional. Don't expect ti to make sense.

We may hope it's a narrow ruling, because the members of the court who have any inclination to address the commerce clause honestly, completely lack the guts to issue a sweeping ruling. In fact, they perversely think that precident is more important than the Constitution itself. They're willing, as in Lopez, to block expansions of "commerce clause" power, but there's no way they'll declare most federal laws unconstitutional, even if they know that they are.
 
Ian,

That was in 1942, the Marihuana Tax Act was in 1937, as you can see in the link from my previous post.

Also, the Wickard vs. Filburn case in 1942 was about growing wheat, as noted, but it was also about regulating activities affecting interstate commerce.

The more recent interpretations have gone way beyond whether or not an activity affects interstate commerce. If interstate commerce is even tangentially involved, an effect is assumed.

Still, my point remains. These explosions of federal power had not occurred when cannabis prohibition was first launched, and that's why they used the tax dodge. Actually, before they invented the "taxing" authority to prohibit cannabis, they discussed using the government's treaty-making power. Why go that far out on a limb, if all the authority they need was to be found in the commerce clause?

Because the Constitution had not grown that far yet in the 1930s. In fact, as the first link I posted shows, the commerce clause was not applied to prohibition until a couple of decades after the Wickard vs. Filburn decision.
 
This case is VERY important to gun owners. Why? Because it's the same line of reasoning (home-grown mj for personal use can't be regulated by Congress) used by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals in the Stewart case (home-made machine guns for personal use can't be regulated by Congress).

http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data2/circs/9th/0210318p.pdf

The BATFE is still trying to decide whether or not to appeal this decision to the USSC after recently being denied a request to have it heard en banc by the Ninth.
 
Also, the Wickard vs. Filburn case in 1942 was about growing wheat, as noted, but it was also about regulating activities affecting interstate commerce.

Exactly: That was the fatal leap the Court took to render constitutional limits on federal power toothless: Pretending that a clause authorizing Congress to regulate commerce, instead authorized it to reguate things which effect commerce. The next step, from things that actually DID effect commerce, to things which might effect it in some hypothetical situation, was a baby step by comparison.

The fundamental problem facing us here, is that described in Yeats' poem, The Second Coming: "The best lack all convictions, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity." The enemies of the Constitution on the courts are perfectly willing to make bold moves, and trash precidents whenever they get in their way. While the half-hearted defenders of the Constitution on the bench aren't willing to upset the apple cart by overturning wrongful precidents. So things get broken, and never get fixed.
 
1911 beat me to it. The commerce clause was never intended to be the fountain of power, enabling any and all regulation. It was intended to ensure a nationwide free trade zone, preventing tariffs (and wars about tariffs) among the states.
Do you recall where that is specified about the commerce clause?
I recall reading it but can't remember where. Federalist Papers perhaps?
 
I agree that we as gun-owners should pay close attention to this case and throw our combined support behind it in any way we can.

Not only would it be disastrous if the Supreme Court ruled against them, but think of the precedent it would set from here on out. Government powers would only continue to increase.

Marijuana is a naturally growing plant. The government saying that it is illegal is like saying you can't grow food in your own garden or plant fruit trees, etc. If you do you'd be affecting interstate commerce.

As gun owners, such a decision would uphold the 9th circuit's ruling that a 'homemade' machine gun does not affect interstate commerce and would therefore be legal from then on out.

Be alert everyone - this is the case the BATF will also be watching closely.
 
Yes, Sarge, the Federalist Papers, among other places. The Founders well understood that where goods and people can't cross borders, troops soon will.
 
The commerce clause is the basis by which the United States half-descended into socialism/fascism over the last ~80 years.

"It affects interstate commerce"

Roosevelt basically purged the Supreme Court of people who would say "you can't stretch Interstate Commerce to mean everything".

IMHO, they can't touch it without unravelling an awful lot of s**t.
 
"Roosevelt basically purged the Supreme Court of people who would say "you can't stretch Interstate Commerce to mean everything"."

What does that mean? FDR had no power to remove anyone from the Supreme Court and didn't. His plan to add more justices was turned down by Congress. He applied political pressure and they changed their mind.
 
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