Concealed Carrier shoots San Antonio Mall Robbery Suspect

[Plan2Live]

Property is insured. Consider being a good witness.

 

[Panzerschwein]

Now I won't admit to having all the details but it seems to me like somebody chose to die over a pile of pretty rocks.

The CCW'rs hearts may have been in the right place, but IMHO they probably should not have drawn on the diamond robbers. Diamond robbers are there for the diamonds, not to kill people and wind up in prison. Best to GTF out of there, to hell with being an "expert witness". Now of course if they are being held hostage that's different but even then probably not a good idea to draw and fire.

 

[wally]

The answer is obvious>>>>don't get into a shoot out with couple of robbers.

This presumes the CHL holder had a choice. Maybe he could have run and hid, maybe not. At least one report said the CHL holder drew and fired after the first citizen was shot. In a situation like that, figuring I might be next, I'd choose to go down fighting, if you want to go down running or freeze and pray for the best, that's your decision. We live or die with the choices we make.

It would be great if there was some security camera video of the incident available

I had a dear friend abducted and gang-raped at gun point from a Burger King. All the anti-rape guides say to never get into a car with the attacker and leave a public place, she choose the opposite and lived to tell, if she made the other choice she could have been dead on the spot. She had to make a split second decision, other options could have came out better or worse, there is no way to tell.

What's more, if they've been dispatched to an "active shooter" incident, they're likely to fire on you without warning!

I have a hard time believing it wouldn't be over before the police actually arrive, but if they do arrive, I do know who the good guys are and will quickly disarm myself.

 

[X-Rap]

A lot of unknowns at this point. No idea if the two good guys knew each other, if the robbers continued to fire after shooting the Good Samaritan or if the CCW guy shot them all in panic.
I do hope folks in SA keep up and continue to post here as more information is presented.

 

[shafter]

Granted I don't have many confirmed details to work with, but it seems senseless to get shot over insured property.

 

[Pheasant Plucker]

I haven't heard if the mall was one that refused patrons to carry concealed, I hope not. That would give the anti 2A crowd an excuse to blame guns. Being that this happened in Texas I doubt if there were restrictions.

 

[.455_Hunter]

I haven't heard if the mall was one that refused patrons to carry concealed, I hope not. That would give the anti 2A crowd an excuse to blame guns. Being that this happened in Texas I doubt if there were restrictions.

Full legal weight 30.06/30.07 signs on the doors? Maybe, maybe not. I doubt they were there, otherwise the second "good guy" would probably not have been carrying.

Generic "No weapons" policy written in the mall "Code of Conduct"? Almost 100% certainty. Most carriers choose to ignore signs like this, as the only thing they can do is ask you to leave, just like having bare feet, bringing in outside food, or wearing "inappropriate' clothing.

 

[.455_Hunter]

Additional info...

http://www.9news.com/news/nation-no...o-shot-suspect-not-allowed-to-carry/392069419

Mall Management- "Although we respect the laws of the state and individual rights, we do, however, maintain a separate code of conduct that we visibly post at our entrances that includes the prohibition of any weapons on the property. Our top priority continues to be the safety of our shoppers as we strive to provide the best possible shopping experience for all,”

Not sure yet on whether the permittee was actually ignoring legal 30-06 signs, or just violating mall "policy". The whole article is just slimy and disgusting progressive anti-gun double speak.

 

[Dog Soldier]

Yes, you maybe a victim of friendly fire. That is risk in any high Adrenalin combat situation. Good intentions by an armed citizen may lead to your arrest.
But! When faced with a deadly encounter will you first think out all of these possibilities? Not likely.

 

[Elkins45]

Yeah... not dying for someone else's diamonds. Not dying over mine, for that matter. But once the shooting starts I figure there's a bullet planned for me if I'm close, so might as well draw and maybe drop him before he gets to me.

But until I know he's in a shooting mood I don't want to be the one that backs him into a corner.

 

[Elkins45]

It's a shame the robber didn't follow "mall policy."

Idiots.

 

[cdk8]

Wait...you mean to tell me that these robbers chose to commit an armed robbery in a gun free zone? Of all places, why in Earth would they choose a place where law-abiding citizens are prohibited from carrying firearms? It must have been a coincidence, just like all those other shootings that take place in gun free zones. If only they had bigger signs to better announce their denial of 2A rights, this wouldn't have happened.

But seriously, if the CCW'r wasn't there, those robbers could have easily shifted to spree killing mode and no one would have been able to do a thing about it.

 

[X-Rap]

Now that the mall has publicly stated their anti gun policy I suspect that the media will be more open to reporting on some rogue Concealed Weapon Carrier who was acting as cop, judge, and jury.

 

[Browning]

So, from what we know now ...

• 2 guys rob the jewelry store.
• One Good Samaritan tries to stop them without a gun/CHL and is shot and killed by one of the armed robbers.
• At this point a couple bystanders could have been shot on purpose or accidentally injured by gunfire from the robbers (debris such as flying pieces of broken glass, chips from the flooring or pieces of the bullet jacketing).
• A 2nd Good Samaritan with a CHL sees what happened and shoots one of the robbers, downing him.
• The gunfire from the Good Samaritan could have also caused the two GSW related injuries besides the shot up armed robber (just throwing that out there since it is a possibility)
• The un-injured armed robber flees and leaves his wounded partner at the mall who is then arrested.
• A pregnant bystander goes into labor and another suffers a heart attack (or possibly just chest pain).
• The mall blames the guy with the CHL and the dead man rather than their gun-free zone for causing all this.
• The armed robbery suspect who fled is found and arrested.

That about right?

 

[GEM]

The details are still unclear, so speculation and suggestions are pretty much useless. Best to wait for video, more detailed reports.

 

[Elkins45]

It appears we know the dead guy gave up his life to protect someone else's property, and that no shots were fired until he intervened.

 

[OC-Trainer]

Kind of makes you wonder, doesn't it? Would he still be alive if he wasn't carrying there? Discretion is the better part of valor, in this one.Tragic.
Reminds me of the Joseph Wilcox story in some ways.

 

[Browning]

Kind of makes you wonder, doesn't it? Would he still be alive if he wasn't carrying there? Discretion is the better part of valor, in this one.Tragic.
Reminds me of the Joseph Wilcox story in some ways.

The man who was killed (Murphy) was unarmed from all the stories I've seen. He resisted and was shot and killed by the armed robbers and then the guy with the CHL shot and wounded one of the robbers.

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/texas/2017/01/22/shooting-reported-rolling-oaks-mall-san-antonio

The man who was fatally shot while trying to stop a robbery at a San Antonio mall has been identified as 42-year-old Jonathan Murphy. Authorities arrested two people in connection with the deadly robbery Sunday afternoon at the Rolling Oaks Mall in San Antonio.


San Antonio Police Chief William McManus said during a news conference that two men robbed the Kay Jewelers at the mall about 3:30 p.m. Murphy, who was unarmed, attempted to stop the robbers from fleeing and was shot dead, McManus said. The chief called him a good Samaritan.

He had gone to the jewelry store with his wife, Aimee, to get their wedding rings cleaned, according to a GoFundMe page for his family.

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Police said another man at the mall, who was legally carrying a concealed gun, shot and wounded the robber who killed Murphy. The injured robber was taken to an area hospital and is in critical condition. His name has not been released.

The second robber ran off, firing his gun and injuring a man and woman, McManus said. He was arrested Sunday night and identified as 35-year-old Jason Matthew Prieto

 

[OC-Trainer]

Wow, I didn't realize that he was unarmed. That makes him intervening even more puzzling to me.

 

[GEM]

The dead victim supposedly stepped in front of his wife to protect her. Did he move towards the crooks? We don't know. Again, all speculation - worth nothing until the actual movements are know.

 

[Browning]

Wow, I didn't realize that he was unarmed. That makes him intervening even more puzzling to me.

Hard to know why he did what he did until we know what happened inside the store.

I'd be interested in seeing the video, but in an active and high profile murder and armed robbery investigation splashed all over the news that may or may not happen for awhile.

I'm just interested in having the thread open so that there's one place to post and read information as it's known so that we can learn from it.

 

[Zoogster]

Yeah we need to be sure of the facts, but it is starting to sound like a tragic and beautiful story all at the same time.

A couple are in there getting their weddings rings cleaned, someone tries to intervene, and it sounds like the man killed was trying to protect his wife? Maybe she had done something to anger the robber and he came to her defense.
Either he or she refused to cooperate and tried to fight back, it may have been her and he came to her aid when they got violent with her, or maybe he just thought he could put a stop to it. It cost him his life, maybe it was or was not worth it. Always easier to second guess someone after the fact but his fighting back unarmed cost him his life. It sucks not to be armed sometimes.
A criminal robbing a place faces resistance, murders someone in public, and a CCW holder shoots him. His accomplice at some point later while fleeing the scene shoots two other people.


Sounds like it is dangerous there to be a violent criminal and victimize people in public. A random person will pull out their concealed weapon and put an end to your misdeeds, and even unarmed men will try to stop you.
You don't like forcing criminals into the shadows and would rather they boldly operate in public hoping the police catch up to them eventually and not too many more victims suffer beforehand?
I think Texas is doing something right, and we got at least one and maybe more heros in the story, though not everyone survived.
Two separate men doing separate things, the one armed that tried to do something succeeded, the one unarmed that decided to or maybe was forced to do something lost his life.

 

[sakata8242]

Won't pass any judgement specific to this case without more details, but generally speaking, it's not worth A) getting shot over property that's not yours and is insured by a third party, or B) shooting another over property, especially if it's not yours to begin with and is insured by a third party.