Confusion re: DC Gun Ban

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I had been hearing for years, that long guns in DC had to be dismantled to the extent that they could not be readily used. I've even read it on this very forum, as well.

I just got myself into an embarassing situation with an anti on another blog. It seems that DC does not require long guns to be partially dismantled. They just require trigger locks. I saw the code myself.

I thought maybe I had confused a Chicago law for the DC law. I can't ,however find any such requirement in the Chicago Municipal Code either.

Is all of that "dismantlement" stuff just a myth? :confused:
 
It's either/or. either it must be dismantled or it must have a trigger lock. no matter what it must be unloaded.
 
I believe it is one or the other. Either trigger locks or dismantled.
Either way they don't want you to be able to defend yourself. With all the crooks in the DC gov't, you might shoot the Mayor's kid or brother. LOL
 
It's either/or. either it must be dismantled or it must have a trigger lock. no matter what it must be unloaded.
Does this mean an unloaded long gun with a trigger lock and a loaded, detached magazine next to it is legal to keep in your home in DC? If so this may be a point for the other side in the Heller vs. DC case. I’ve read on another thread here the DC brief in that case states something like ‘even if the 2cd amendment protects an individual right to keep arms, the DC handgun ban does not violate this because it does not prevent individuals from keeping long guns in their homes.’ I know the issues with quick access to an effective weapon in a self-defense situation, but I’m not sure the Supreme Court justices do. Plus the Supreme Court decision in the Miller case from the 1930’s states the purpose of the 2cd amendment is the people have the right to keep and bear arms for the common defense. The current justices may not see a problem with arms being unloaded and locked if their purpose in the common, not personal defense.

Not saying I agree with the above, just the justices may.
 
Supreme Court decision in the Miller case from the 1930’s states the purpose of the 2cd amendment is the people have the right to keep and bear arms for the common defense. The current justices may not see a problem with arms being unloaded and locked if their purpose in the common, not personal defense.

Not a correct reading of the Miller case. What the SCOTUS decided in Miller was that Miller had a right to bear arms in his OWN PERSONAL defense. Where they disagreed was in the specific weapon. Specifically they decided that a sawed off shotgun was not particularly suitable as a "militia" weapon.
 
Not a correct reading of the Miller case. What the SCOTUS decided in Miller was that Miller had a right to bear arms in his OWN PERSONAL defense.
Well, the parts of the Miller case I’m reading are copied below. They talk about the Militia reffered to in the 2cd amendment as being “comprised of all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense….when called for service these men were expected to appear bearing arms supplied by themselves…” (emphasis added.)

Can anyone point out where in the Miller decision is mentions “Miller had a right to bear arms in his OWN PERSONAL defense.”? I’m not seeing it.

http://www.hoboes.com/pub/Firearms/Government/Courts/U.S. Supreme Court/Miller/US v. Miller Summary

The Court can not take judicial notice that a shotgun having a barrel
less than 18 inches long has today any reasonable relation to the
preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia; and therefore
can not say that the Second Amendment guarantees to the citizen the right
to keep and bear such a weapon.

http://www.hoboes.com/pub/Firearms/Government/Courts/U.S. Supreme Court/Miller/US v. Miller

The Constitution as originally adopted granted to the Congress power --
"To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union,
suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions; To provide for organizing,
arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of
them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving
to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the
Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed
by Congress." With obvious purpose to assure the continuation and
render possible the effectiveness of such forces the declaration and
guarantee of the Second Amendment were made. It must be interpreted
and applied with that end in view.

The Militia which the States were expected to maintain and train is
set in contrast with Troops which they were forbidden to keep without
the consent of Congress. The sentiment at the time strongly disfavored
standing armies; the common view was that adequate defense of country
and laws could be secured through the Militia -- civilians primarily,
soldiers on occasion.

The signification attributed to the term Militia appears from the
debates in the Convention, the history and legislation of Colonies
and States, and the writings of approved commentators. These show
plainly enough that the Militia comprised all males physically capable
of acting in concert for the common defense. "A body of citizens
enrolled for military discipline." And further, that ordinarily when
called for service these men were expected to appear bearing arms
supplied by themselves and of the kind in common use at the time.
 
I believe you are right and I did put that badly. The court never specifically said "Miller had a right to bear arms in his OWN PERSONAL defense." They did not however rule against Miller because he didn't have that right, but instead because his gun was considered "unsuitable".

As to the rest I believe I'll let the experts explain it.

http://www.nraila.org/media/PDFs/nra_amicus_heller.pdf

They did a much better job than I could of explaining Miller and how it allows for the bearing of arms in our own personal defense. I believe the part about Miller starts on about page 5 (of the document, not according to adobe's numbering system).
 
It is important to remember that by the time Miller got to the Supreme Court, Miller was deceased. He did not appear and he was not represented. Thus, the Court heard a completely unilateral presentation and responded accordingly.
 
The important point is that you can have no firearms in a useable state. A trigger lock isn't much better than a disassembled gun when you need it immediately.
 
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