Considering an ESEE 4 with S35V blade

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I liked the heat treatment on their 440C ESEE knives, the things took a good edge. Edge retention was fine.


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Primarily this is a question about steels, and whether paying more gets you more. That is very hard to quantify, Knifenerds does a great job, but after reading all the standardized test results, what becomes obvious, change a bevel angle, and the test results for steels are often re stacked.

You did not ask about 440C versus 1095. You want to know S35V versus 1095. The 1095 that ESEE uses is easier to sharpen than S35VN. That is an advantage if all you have is rudimentary sharpening equipment and are away from a work bench. It takes diamond hones to restore a S35VN edge. A shooting bud of mine, one of these Delta force types, all he had in the field to sharpen were small, three inch stones. He claimed sending one super steel knife back to the manufacturer for sharpening because he could not resharpen the thing. He also wanted "throw away knives". Pay too much, and when you lose it, you will cry longer. The stainless S35VN edge "should" last longer, but if you are going to chop trees, or bricks, a knife is not the best for that sort of work. 1095 takes an outstanding edge, but it rusts, hence the powder coating on ESSE blades. Many consider 1095 an old steel, and it is. You have to keep the edge dry or it will rust. But it cuts well and sharpens easily.Its price and its ability to be resharpened with rudimentary equipment are its primary advantages.

You will pay more for S35VN because it is one of the steel du jour's. Give it a couple of years, and S35VN will be old hat, and a new, more profitable steel, at an exponentially higher price will be heavily promoted. One should be skeptical that newer steels are all that much better. Is it worth paying 50% more for 3% performance improvements? There will be lots of influencers claiming so. I remember when 154CM was being promoted by Bob Loveless as the best that ever was, and now, 154CM is a yawn. However, original Loveless knives have increased in value, but it is not due to the steel in the blade.
 
My knives live easy lives, so I am not likely to use them to pry or chop. I have a Schrade sharpened crowbar in the truck and an assortment of choppers for heavy work. Still, ESEE does a fine job with 1095 and I have no complaints with the ESEE 6 or the JG 5. Thanks for helping me make an informed choice.
 
I bought 3 ESEE 3's in S35Vn over a year ago. Been using ESEE-3, 4 and Junglas for many years, I also got a Xancudo in S35VN. They are all great! I am 100% confident in all of them. IMHO ESEE are the best off the shelf knives you can buy. S35VN is superb. Read that entire Bushcraft USA link posted above in #2. Here is a video by the person that 'broke' that knife:




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Never had an Esee but I have a custom Buck Knife 110 with S35VN and the edge retention was pretty good. It allowed me to skin 3 deer last year before I had to sharpen it, granted by the time I got to the 3rd deer I was able to notice that it was beginning to get dull a little but still sharper than a blade with 1095 steel would have been at the end of dressing and skinning a deer.
The S35VN is harder to bring an edge to it where 1095 takes a few minutes to put an edge. Pros and Cons on every thing
 
I really like 1095 steel.

I sandblasted the powder coating off a ESEE Izula and forced a light patina on it and oiled it occasionally.

It cuts do much better through heavy martial like wood and plastic without the coating. Was always easy to sharpen up to a razor edge too.

One of my favorite steels for cost : performance and ease of maintenance. I like carbon steels though.
 
My Esees are strictly my go-to users, they embody all the features I've come to see is best for me.

My 1095 Esee 4 is my bushcrafter and it just the right size, and the steel and heat treat is superb. It's easy to sharpen and holds an edge.

I wouldn't hesitate to get an Esee of any type that THEY make in THEIR shop. I have no idea about their folders. The warranty is great too!
 
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I will pick up an ESEE 4 HM in the near future, but hoping to find it for less than the $105 standard price. Please let me know if you run across a deal. Whenever I pop for the full price, it seems like the same knife goes on special a few days later. :confused: I have a Becker 16, so can hold out until the time is right.

I think the S35VN option can work fine in a larger knife, but realized that most of my cutting is with smaller knives and there is something to be said for less cutting edge to maintain. Thanks for all the excellent guidance.
 
I will pick up an ESEE 4 HM in the near future, but hoping to find it for less than the $105 standard price. Please let me know if you run across a deal. Whenever I pop for the full price, it seems like the same knife goes on special a few days later.

Lemme know when you pick one up, so I can catch the sale the next week after :rofl:
 
I see that Knifeworks has 'em for $96 with leather sheath, $97 with kydex. I see they also have a variety of ESEE 3s on closeout. Keep your eyes peeled.
 
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