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Gents, I believe the op's question has been answered, and that question pertained to coyotes, pitt bulls and the like are not the issue here.
Coyote Rifle
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A few thoughts:
If I had a "pack of coyotes" in the back yard, I'd take an AK47 out the back door, and take out several of them, assuming proper backstop (and I live in the sticks).
Most any rifle within it's intended range would do fine for dispatching one or two.
If you see a "coyote" that "looks like a wolf" in NC, it's probably a coyote/large-dog hybrid.
And... I wouldn't shoot a pit-bull on-sight... but they're bred for aggression, AND let's admit it, that's why people own them: they're a statement of "don't mess with me". So they're always suspect in my opinion, and by the stats. Anyone who denies this reality is, IMO, kidding themselves.
Les
If I had a "pack of coyotes" in the back yard, I'd take an AK47 out the back door, and take out several of them, assuming proper backstop (and I live in the sticks).
Most any rifle within it's intended range would do fine for dispatching one or two.
If you see a "coyote" that "looks like a wolf" in NC, it's probably a coyote/large-dog hybrid.
And... I wouldn't shoot a pit-bull on-sight... but they're bred for aggression, AND let's admit it, that's why people own them: they're a statement of "don't mess with me". So they're always suspect in my opinion, and by the stats. Anyone who denies this reality is, IMO, kidding themselves.
Les
unwise11
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truth, when there are coyotes where i live i cant do anything, because my landlords are very anti gun, but i will go to hunt them soon. (not the landlords) lol
Your house location and condition and demeanor of the dog will dictate whether shooting is appropriate.
As far as what dogs are dangerous- potentially, all of them. One of the sadder and most shocking stories is of a Pomeranian left on a bed with an infant by the uncle when he went to get a baby bottle. The Pom had killed the baby when the uncle returned.
As far as what dogs are dangerous- potentially, all of them. One of the sadder and most shocking stories is of a Pomeranian left on a bed with an infant by the uncle when he went to get a baby bottle. The Pom had killed the baby when the uncle returned.
unwise11
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if a coyote was in my backyard he'd eat buckshot and i would leave a note and the body of the dog at my landlords explaining the 3 am thunderstick of my gun that protected his cattle, and my dog and mom potentially being hurt in the morning when she walks him. but the rifle is reserved for further threats.
Roughneck08
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Pit Bull on my property, yes, dead dog in every scenario. I do like dogs I own several but when it is on my property it is going to die. We had two steers get ripped to shreds by two pit's down the road a few years back. They took the steers ears off and killed one, just for sport. When it comes to protecting my family and my livestock or dogs then yes dead is good.
Spot on Roughneck08
& for the record i am a dog lover & love to hunt pheasants with our dogs.
Pits do kill for the sport. They are bred for a sport & they are machines & all machines know matter how well kept SHORT CIRCUIT NOW & THEN.
I am sorry that i offend some tonight. But i was called a criminal. & that didnt set well with me AT ALL!!!
& for the record i am a dog lover & love to hunt pheasants with our dogs.
Pits do kill for the sport. They are bred for a sport & they are machines & all machines know matter how well kept SHORT CIRCUIT NOW & THEN.
I am sorry that i offend some tonight. But i was called a criminal. & that didnt set well with me AT ALL!!!
Tim the student
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Some do, some don't. Some sheepdogs kill for sport, as do some labs, as do some people. Good luck finding a breed that doesn't have any members that kill for sport. It is a generalization, and they are never 100% accurate.
Apparently like some people lose control at times too.
Tim, it's all about averages, and you're shortchanging the Pit's averages. Big time.
And... An internet poster that you disagree with is not exactly in the same league as a dog with a history of ripping children to shreds. Tell me why I'm wrong on that one.
Les
And... An internet poster that you disagree with is not exactly in the same league as a dog with a history of ripping children to shreds. Tell me why I'm wrong on that one.
Les
Future Army Ranger,
It is my wish you enjoy the benefits of your perceptions. You seem to consider a canine to have the same rights and protections as humans. I was trained 3 days a week by the United States Army in Berlin to kill dogs with or without weapons. As an armorer I had 6 Stevens Military/Police 12 guage shotguns assigned to dog control. In 1968 any canine in West Berlin, not on leash could be shot on sight, by us or the police. Without supposing a loose and roaming canine could be rabid I am well aware of the danger of canines reverting to instinct when in packs. I have raised, shown, and trained upland game dogs since I was 8 years old. It is my responsibility to control my dogs at all times, if I don't,,,,, I consider a dead dog and a lawsuit against me justified.
I would ask you to rethink your priorities,
blindhari
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It is my wish you enjoy the benefits of your perceptions. You seem to consider a canine to have the same rights and protections as humans. I was trained 3 days a week by the United States Army in Berlin to kill dogs with or without weapons. As an armorer I had 6 Stevens Military/Police 12 guage shotguns assigned to dog control. In 1968 any canine in West Berlin, not on leash could be shot on sight, by us or the police. Without supposing a loose and roaming canine could be rabid I am well aware of the danger of canines reverting to instinct when in packs. I have raised, shown, and trained upland game dogs since I was 8 years old. It is my responsibility to control my dogs at all times, if I don't,,,,, I consider a dead dog and a lawsuit against me justified.
I would ask you to rethink your priorities,
blindhari
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Graduate of the Fort Benning School for wayward boys
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Tim the student
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I said nothing about averages. Show me where I did. Other than that, you are reading into what I said, and making up stories about what I said.
I said that some pits do kill for sport, and some don't. Do you disagree? I also said that some labs do, and that some people do. Do you disagree there? I will agree that more pits are more likely to than a lab, but it is willfully ignorant to think that all pits will, or that all labs won't.
For me personally, there needs to be something other that "oooh, pitbulls have attacked people, and it might attack me" for me to feel the need to shoot it. YMMV.
FWIW, all breeds have a history of ripping children to shreds. Name one that doesn't.
Tim, my wife spent years training and showing Obedience-Trial Border Collies and German Shepherds, and Schutzhund-GSDs all over the US, so I learned a little about dogs.
Your defensiveness is understandable. Sure, all dogs have the potential to hurt someone. Pit Bulls are in a special class because the breed was specifically created for fighting, and not to the opponent's submission (like most canines), but to the opponent's death. That's just the way it is.
You'll notice I didn't advocate "shooting on sight" if you back up and read. I just think it's wise to be realistic about the breed's unique characteristics.
Les
Your defensiveness is understandable. Sure, all dogs have the potential to hurt someone. Pit Bulls are in a special class because the breed was specifically created for fighting, and not to the opponent's submission (like most canines), but to the opponent's death. That's just the way it is.
You'll notice I didn't advocate "shooting on sight" if you back up and read. I just think it's wise to be realistic about the breed's unique characteristics.
Les
Tim the student
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Well, it basically sounds like we agree more or less.
But, the averages don't really matter when it comes down to specific individuals. I'm not going to be less leery of a lab, based solely on it's breed, and I'm also not going to be more leery of a pit based solely on it's breed.
I did notice, and I didn't imply that you did, did I? Thanks for that, BTW. IMO, there is no need to shoot on sight (with no other reasons).
I just said what I would do.
I'll take the actions I need to take based on the situation at hand - which will not be dictated by breed, but by mannerisms, and actions.
FWIW, the two most vicious dogs I have ever been around were not pits - one was a rat terrier, and the other was a chihuahua. I have no doubts that they had the capability to kill kids before they were killed.
Roughneck08
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I don't want to offend anyone here and I also understand it is easy to get into a debate, but this thread is for proper firearms to dispatch coyotes per the OP. Pit Bulls can be nice dogs, but when you turn on the 5 o'clock news it is the pit bull attacking the senior citizen, the animal control officer, or the worst a child. Not Labs, Australian sheps, or German sheps. They are bred to be fighters and they can revert in a blink of an eye. OP anything over a .22 in a rifle or carbine will be sufficient in stopping pasture pups.
jimmyraythomason
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Nor do they matter when my grand children's welfare is at stake be it coyote, pit bull or poodle.
deerhunter61
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I agree with those that said at least a .223. It is not that the small cals will not get the job done it is just that I do not consider them optimal. We all have our on opinions and a lot is based on experience and ability. I think someone who is an exceptional shot a .22 perhaps would be a good choice for them. Why you ask? Because they are more apt to have the ability for accurate bullet placement. But what we are talking about here is what would be a good cal for the average shooter and that means one that will do the most damage with that in mind. So the .223 I believe fits the bill here.
unwise11
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congratulations on everyone's dog killing.
i like dogs, and if there was a pit in my back yard i might dust off an airsoft gun and lite it up.
but i wouldnt get my .22 or my shotgun for someones pet, i would scare it at worst, now, if i went out and was attacked i would use the 5" knife i carry to stab it.
but if he's just roaming around i would scare it off.
there are situations where i wouldnt hesitate to sling lead. but honestly i'd be more worried about a person in my back yard than a dog. but i cant shoot the person?
im just saying it shouldnt be legal to kill dogs for sport like some of ya'll are saying. the only dog i'll ever kill for sport is a coyote. i will use a rifle- .308 and it will feel no pain.
the end. this thread has become too off topic. if anyone wants to say anything to me and act their age.. than i'll reply with respect and reason.
i like dogs, and if there was a pit in my back yard i might dust off an airsoft gun and lite it up.
but i wouldnt get my .22 or my shotgun for someones pet, i would scare it at worst, now, if i went out and was attacked i would use the 5" knife i carry to stab it.
but if he's just roaming around i would scare it off.
there are situations where i wouldnt hesitate to sling lead. but honestly i'd be more worried about a person in my back yard than a dog. but i cant shoot the person?
im just saying it shouldnt be legal to kill dogs for sport like some of ya'll are saying. the only dog i'll ever kill for sport is a coyote. i will use a rifle- .308 and it will feel no pain.
the end. this thread has become too off topic. if anyone wants to say anything to me and act their age.. than i'll reply with respect and reason.
jimmyraythomason
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That works in theory but is an entirely different matter in actuallity. It is very hard to scare something that has no fear.
unwise11
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the knife is for my work, i always carry it becuase at night when closing sometimes at the gunrange coyotes are around, but its really for the boxes of clay targets we waste, i wish i could open carry while there. since i open carry when i shoot there, but im 14 and i have no chance since dad isnt always there.
lol but i know how to use a knife.
lol but i know how to use a knife.
doubleh
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FutureArmyRanger, I have just one question for you. Ever been dog bit or been close when someone else was? I have and it happens in an instant. You could have your knife in your hand and it won't prevent it from happening. I have a few years on you and believe me when I say experience can alter your preceptions and very quickly.
What surprised me was the dog and I were friends and had been for several years since he was a little pup. I still don't know why he decided to take a chunk out of me and five seconds after he did it he was the same ol' friendly pooch he's always been. I'm the only person he's ever bit. This just shows that any any animal, no matter how well you think you know it, can change in the blink of an eye.
Back to the OP. Shotgun with Dead Coyote loads will do the trick and no long range worries.
What surprised me was the dog and I were friends and had been for several years since he was a little pup. I still don't know why he decided to take a chunk out of me and five seconds after he did it he was the same ol' friendly pooch he's always been. I'm the only person he's ever bit. This just shows that any any animal, no matter how well you think you know it, can change in the blink of an eye.
Back to the OP. Shotgun with Dead Coyote loads will do the trick and no long range worries.
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