Cross-Eyed Dominance: Does it even matter?

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So I was thinking about cross eyed dominance when shooting and I figured that it doesn't really matter when shooting targets that are far enough away because both eyes at that far distance converge so no matter which eye you look through, your brain will see the same picture. It's only when you stick your arm straight out with one finger pointed up, and close one eye that you see the image move.

I also tested the distances that this begins to disappear and that's at around 5 ft max? So even with a handgun, shotgun, or rifle, you'd probably hit that target. And if it were any closer you'd hit it with both eyes open at point blank range.

Just a thought and why people stress cross-eyed dominance means that you should shoulder the gun on the opposite side...

Did I miss something?
 
Typically, cross-eye dominance means that your wrong eye will be looking at the target over a shotgun barrel with a bead.

If you're right-handed but left-eye-dominant, that would mean you shoot way to the right of where you think you are pointed.

I had cross-eye dominance. I tried shooting left-handed, but I couldn't do it, since it's not about your hands, it's about your whole body. That can be really hard to switch.

So, I took a .22 target pistol to the range. After a number of times and a number of bricks, forcing myself to shoot with both eyes open, and forcing myself to use my right eye, I had trained myself to choose which eye I was using. (Previously, I'd shot pistols right-handed, but aiming with my left eye.)

Now, I shoot everything with both eyes open -- a great help if you can do it. And I can use whichever eye I want.

So cross-eye dominance does exist, and it is a problem. However, it can be trained for IMHO.

I tried the dot on the shooting glasses and all that sort of crap. That's what it is, IMO: crap. It distracted me, screwed with my vision as the target went in and out of view in my "off" eye, and just was a royal PITA. Besides, I doubt I'll be wearing those glasses hunting, or if I should ever have to use those skills for home defense.

That's my opinion, based on my personal experience. YMMV.
 
I'd actually been meaning to post a similar question, though no specifically related to shotguns. Turns out my fiance is cross-eye dominant, and I had no idea what to tell her as far as aim; this was firing handguns and carbines though. I did a bit of research and found plenty of shooters that basically shoot "weak-eyed" or a modified stance. If you're shooting isosceles with a handgun, it's obviously not that huge an issue, but with rifles you're going to have to "retrain your brain" or change how you're holding the weapon.

The idea that it doesn't matter because the eyes converge... doesn't work that way, IMHO. It doesn't matter if they converge if the sights are only in front of one of them. ;) The problem with cross-eye dominance is that your brain naturally "ignores" a lot of the information from the "weak" eye. It's basically there to gauge distance - parallax - not show detail. Detail is what you want in a precision sight picture.

Instead of holding your finger out at arm's length with one eye closed, hold it close up, maybe 6 inches away from your dominant eye, with both eyes open. If you're right-eye dominant like most, you'll see a sharp, defined "ghost" on the left hand side, directly in front of your eye. Now, if you're anything like me, when you do the same in front of the opposite eye, you *still* have a sharper image on the left. In fact, doing it now, in front of my monitor, I can barely even see the ghost on the right hand side, with the finger in front of my left eye - Even with my finger directly in front of my weak eye, my brain still throws out that information and tries to interpret the picture from the right eye's perspective.

I'm guessing the offhand-shoulder would be preferable in shotguns because you generally favor target acquisition in the shotgun sports and hunting over precision aim, so getting the bead over the bird is more important than ergonomics and sight picture.

But hey! Try it! Firing from the offhand is good defensive practice and you can see for yourself how big a difference it is. :)
 
I have a weird one, central vision. When I pull up, I see two front beads, one on either side of the target. Occasionally, fatigue will cause one eye or the other to become dominant.

I shoot low gun, firing the instant the buttstock hits my shoulder. As the barrels converge on or intercept the target, I slam my left eye shut, almost simultaneous with, but a micro second before the trigger pull. This allows the two-eyed advantage of judging target speed and trajectory, and the final sight picture as I fire is correct.

When I was taught this method, my scores increased and became much more consistent.

Would it work on the championship circuit?
I don't know, but it works on birds and for club shooting.
 
"For most people, shotgunning is easier and more effective with both eyes open. Binocular vision facilitates the estimation of distance speed and angle, and helps one to get the full benefits of hand-to-eye coordination (if you doubt it, try catching a ball with one eye shut). There are other benefits to binocular vision such as reduced tension and fatigue. However, do not believe those who tell you simplistically that everyone should shoot with both eyes open. It is just not that simple (which condemns more than a few shooting tomes to the pyre): the critical consideration is eye dominance.
It is a curiosity of the binocular system of human vision (at least in most adult males) that one eye tends to control pointing. If a finger were pointed at a distant object, there would be a straight line relationship from object to finger to eye. The pointing eye, whichever it may be, is called the dominant or master eye. The majority of adult men have eye dominance which matches their handedness and, once this is confirmed, are well advised to shoot with both eyes open. There are other possibilities. Some may be cross-dominant (e.g., right-handed with a left master); a few have central vision (neither eye dominating); and others may be predominantly but not fully dominant in one eye. For those shooting a standard gun who fall into one of these categories, the best advice is usually to shut or squint one eye. In women and children, absolute dominance in the eye overlooking the breech is the exception, and one-eyed shooting is often the simplest remedy too.
Eye dominance is an intriguing phenomenon in which biological, environmental and experiential factors appear to play a role. Eye dominance in boys typically becomes more absolute with advancing years. In middle-aged men, however, it may become less absolute. It may be affected by training (disciplining oneself to sustain focus on the bird and ignore any “ghost” image), but results are unpredictable. It is (largely) unrelated to visual acuity (one can have poor vision in one eye yet it can still be more dominant as far as the control of pointing is concerned). It can vary in the same individual. It can be disturbed by fatigue, ill-health, staring at computer screens, long-distance driving and low light levels. It is not just a physical phenomenon, but a mental one as well. Having considered some of the scientific literature while researching this book, it appears that gunfitters may have a more profound understanding of eye dominance than anyone else (especially with regard to sex and age differences).
The diagnosis of eye dominance certainly involves far more than a simple – and potentially inaccurate – observation that an individual is right or left eye dominant (any testing method that only gives “either/or” results is worthless). It is common, for example, to find a male client who has what might be called “pseudo-dominance”, i.e., when tested, one eye appears to be almost – but not quite fully – dominant. Such a condition is easily overlooked by an inexperienced or sloppy instructor (typically being misdiagnosed as full dominance). However, the effects on shooting can be profound. Typically, there will be many inexplicable misses on quartering and crossing targets where the lead does not favor the dominance.
It is not uncommon, moreover, for shooters to be wrongly advised to switch shoulders having been told they were cross-dominant, when in fact their dominance in the opposite eye was not absolute (much better and simpler advice would have been to stick to the “strong” shoulder and squint an eye). All of which leads me to conclude that the precise diagnosis of a client’s eye dominance is one of the most vital considerations in shooting instruction. One need make no apologies for dealing with it in the most scrupulous manner….
A right-hander with a left master eye (or a left-hander with a right master eye) has a number of options. One of the easiest, in the former case, is to shoot from the right shoulder but closing or dimming the left eye prior to firing. Rather than keeping the eye shut throughout the pickup, swing and mount, it will be better for most sporting and game shots to dim the eye as the gun comes up to the shoulder. This way one gets some of the benefits of binocular vision and has an increased field of view during the critical pickup phase. It is a definite mistake to dim the eye only at the last moment as this may be visually confusing.
The offending eye may be covered with a patch (although instructors who inflict this on novices should try it themselves), or if the student wears spectacles, a block to vision may be placed over the appropriate lens. This need not be a full-sized patch but may be a much smaller block, refined so that it is no more than a half inch across. One may use electrician’s tape, a smudge of Vaseline, chapstick, typing correction fluid or a Magic Dot on the lens to achieve this (once the position and size are confirmed, glasses may be permanently and neatly modified by sandblasting in an optical workshop)….
Kay Ohye, the famous trap shot, developed a “blinder” to be attached to the rib near the muzzles of over-and-unders. It has subsequently been manufactured by several firms. Another clever device consists of a U-shaped channel with a fluorescent sight at one end. This may be attached to the barrel and when in place, the brightly-coloured insert can only be seen by the eye looking along the rib. A similar effect may be achieved by using the thumb on the forend to block the vision of the eye not looking down the rib (as practiced by both Churchill and Barry Simpson)….
A traditional remedy for those whose master eye and handedness do not correspond, is to learn to shoot from the left (or weak) shoulder with or without a suitably adapted (cast-off changed to cast-on triggers reshaped) gun. I do not usually favour this course (though it is sometimes appropriate). The advantage of binocular vision may be outweighed by the awkwardness of the manoeuvre. It is my experience that few of those who are forced to take this route develop into really first class shots (although many one-eyed shots, beating the odds, do)….
Finally beware: not everyone who shoots as their eye dominance – as tested – might suggest. Some may be able to shoot well with both eyes open, even though initial testing without a gun indicates a dominance problem. Some will have inconsistent eye dominance (my own normally right-eyed dominance fades and can even switch when I get tired). Some will have a master eye significantly weaker than the other as far as visual acuity is concerned. Inability to focus can undermine eye dominance. (Sometimes those with contact lenses who have a slight eye dominance problem, may be advised to shoot with the left lens removed.) Some people’s eye dominance is affected by the choice of gun. Short guns and side-by-sides tend to cause more problems than the more pointable over-and-unders. Changing to longer barrels can help someone with a mild eye-dominance problem…."

The Shotgun, a Shooting Instructor’s Handbook, Michael Yardley, copyright 2001, Safari Press
 
IMO eye dominance problems are much worse in American Trap, where you spend an eternity setting the gun, staring down the rib, and finally calling "pull" when you're already almost bored to death. Once you learn to hit the targets, the greatest challenge of American Trap is to keep your mind from wandering and your eyes from doing the wrong thing, like focusing on the bead.

I used to have significant issues with it when shooting American Trap, though as I said, it can be trained out. See above for how I did.

However, I've never had the same issues with birds, Skeet, 5-stand or Sporting Clays.
 
It matters a whole lot to me. I am right-handed and left-eye dominant. I used to have a very hard time hitting with any consistency with the gun on my right shoulder. Finally I switched to shooting left-handed and my scores really improved once I got the mechanics into muscle memory. Shotgunning became a lot more fun when I started shooting left-handed.
 
It matters a whole lot to me. I am right-handed and left-eye dominant. I used to have a very hard time hitting with any consistency with the gun on my right shoulder. Finally I switched to shooting left-handed and my scores really improved once I got the mechanics into muscle memory. Shotgunning became a lot more fun when I started shooting left-handed.

Same thing here. After a year of shooting lefty, it is now second nature and much more enjoyable.
 
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