Fly320s
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I carry a Kimber Pro Carry in a Milt Sparks Versa Max IWB.
I'm just working my way up the ammo chain. Looking for a .45 soon.
I'm just working my way up the ammo chain. Looking for a .45 soon.
Cult of the .40 cal S&W
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Sean Smith
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.40 S&W is too mainstream and boring to have a cult following. .40 S&W guns are everywhere, and the caliber has all the charm and versatility of Wonder bread. More unpleasant to shoot than .45 ACP and makes smaller holes. No real ballistic advantage over 9x19mm +P/+P+ loads. Lacks the power and versatility of 10mm. More likely to blow a case than any of the above.
MLH
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"Cult of the .40 cal S&W"
Gotta agree with Sean's comments.
The .40S&W is way too ubiquitous to be a "cult" cartridge. It's really a WANNABE "cult" cartridge for the "can't"s of the shooting community.
Those who:
- can't qualify with real 10mm Auto ammo ;
- can't handle the recoil of real 10mm Auto ammo ;
- claim they "can't afford" real 10mm Auto ammo .
So instead they've formed their own tribe hoping to attain the same elite status as those who own and shoot the real deal.
Sorry, it won't work.
Gotta agree with Sean's comments.
The .40S&W is way too ubiquitous to be a "cult" cartridge. It's really a WANNABE "cult" cartridge for the "can't"s of the shooting community.
Those who:
- can't qualify with real 10mm Auto ammo
;- can't handle the recoil of real 10mm Auto ammo
;- claim they "can't afford" real 10mm Auto ammo
.So instead they've formed their own tribe hoping to attain the same elite status as those who own and shoot the real deal.
Sorry, it won't work.
Spackler
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Seems to me that 10mm is the real "cult" cartridge - ie - not really a market success, but has a cult following. Before anybody tries to argue the market success point, let me say this: There are far fewer companies making pistols chambered in 10mm today than when the cartridge came out. Good 10mm pistols can be hard to find, while you can't swing a dead wombat without hitting a .40S&W pistol.
This of course has nothing to do with the quality of the 10mm cartridge. It says more about the taste (of lack thereof) of the gun-buying public.
I don't think it has anything to do with "can't qualify", "can't handle the recoil", or "can't afford ammo". I think it's more like "can't find" one that they feel like carrying. Even the little 10mm Glock is like a 2x4.
This of course has nothing to do with the quality of the 10mm cartridge. It says more about the taste (of lack thereof) of the gun-buying public.
I don't think it has anything to do with "can't qualify", "can't handle the recoil", or "can't afford ammo". I think it's more like "can't find" one that they feel like carrying. Even the little 10mm Glock is like a 2x4.
Ooops...
Thanks, Spackler. I left one of the "can't"s out:
Those who:
- claim they "can't find" 10mm guns or ammo.
For the many "can't"s out there, the .40 just feels soooo right.
But of course that doesn't make it a "cult" cartridge.
"Even the little 10mm Glock is like a 2x4."
Strange, you never hear that complaint made about the identically-sized 45acp G-30.
Thanks, Spackler. I left one of the "can't"s out:
Those who:
- claim they "can't find" 10mm guns or ammo.
For the many "can't"s out there, the .40 just feels soooo right.
But of course that doesn't make it a "cult" cartridge. "Even the little 10mm Glock is like a 2x4."
Strange, you never hear that complaint made about the identically-sized 45acp G-30.
Spackler
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I notice you didn't dispute any of my points
Seriously, the 10mm and .45 Glocks are like bricks. My hands aren't large, and they don't fit me well. With a grip reduction, a Glock 20 would be just about perfect. But ugly.
If S&W would make a 4013-sized 10mm, I'd get one. If Sig would make a P225-sized 10mm, I'd be there. If Glock made a 19-sized 10mm... you get the idea. The 10mm Witness is a good fit, but is of dubious reliability.
There's a TV program about the FBI academy on right now, and I notice their MP5's are chambered in 10mm. That's pretty cool.
Seriously, the 10mm and .45 Glocks are like bricks. My hands aren't large, and they don't fit me well. With a grip reduction, a Glock 20 would be just about perfect. But ugly.
If S&W would make a 4013-sized 10mm, I'd get one. If Sig would make a P225-sized 10mm, I'd be there. If Glock made a 19-sized 10mm... you get the idea. The 10mm Witness is a good fit, but is of dubious reliability.
There's a TV program about the FBI academy on right now, and I notice their MP5's are chambered in 10mm. That's pretty cool.
Spack, buddy, that leaves you with the S&W 10XX-series pistols and the 10mm 1911s like the Delta. Surely, one of these fits your hand, and both are quite reliable.
Funny, though, I've seen the same "it-feels-like-a-2x4" remark about the large-frame 3rd Gen S&Ws, like the 1006 and the 4506, which are single-stack pistols, having nowhere near the girth of the large Glocks.
What's up with that?
Funny, though, I've seen the same "it-feels-like-a-2x4" remark about the large-frame 3rd Gen S&Ws, like the 1006 and the 4506, which are single-stack pistols, having nowhere near the girth of the large Glocks.
What's up with that?
Spackler
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Never had a problem with the 45xx Smiths, or any of the double-stacks for that matter. I had a 669 that I put rubber pachmayr grips on. It was pretty fat, but still very comfortable. Most of the S&W autoloaders that I've owned or fired have had good trigger reach. A friend has a G21, and that thing is just too big for my hand. I can't keep a good grip on the thing.
Been wanting a 1066 S&W. I just don't have the budget for a gun purchase at this point. It'd be a shooter rather than for carry, because I prefer a more compact carry gun. Still, if I ran across a nice example in my local shop, it might be an "impulse purchase", though I'd be in the dog-house.
Been wanting a 1066 S&W. I just don't have the budget for a gun purchase at this point. It'd be a shooter rather than for carry, because I prefer a more compact carry gun. Still, if I ran across a nice example in my local shop, it might be an "impulse purchase", though I'd be in the dog-house.
Poohgyrr
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Two pistols: G23 and .40 Hi Power.
G23 offers more rounds in the same size package that other brands offer with fewer rounds.
The .40 Hi Power is a Hi Power !!!! . 'Nuff said My most favoristist pistola.
The .40 round because it has similar ballistics to other great rounds (125 gr .357 Maggie and 185 gr .45 ACP).
And because I can't figure out how to stuff the same number of .44 Special rounds into these two Great ! Pistols !!!
For a pic of my favorite handgun and round check here: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26955&perpage=25&pagenumber=2
G23 offers more rounds in the same size package that other brands offer with fewer rounds.
The .40 Hi Power is a Hi Power !!!! . 'Nuff said
My most favoristist pistola.The .40 round because it has similar ballistics to other great rounds (125 gr .357 Maggie and 185 gr .45 ACP).
And because I can't figure out how to stuff the same number of .44 Special rounds into these two Great ! Pistols !!!
For a pic of my favorite handgun and round check here: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26955&perpage=25&pagenumber=2
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