"Cylinder and Slide" (C&S) Hi Power safety/hammer conversion?

[ApacheCoTodd]

We were up in a shootin' place doing shootin' things and one of the fellas told me about (didn't have it in hand) having received his Hi Power back from C&S after they had modified the safety/hammer in such a way that it operated as such:

Apparently, the pistol is charged and the hammer is then lowered into a safe "cocked&locked" though actually un-cocked (partially lowered) position.

Then to fire,the shooter clicks the safety and the hammer is returned automatically to the full cock position for firing.

I guess this saves one the eons of time and mega calories it takes to retract the hammer manually?

Anyhow, I was intrigued and looked to the C&S site but found no option under the Hi Power work offered.

I have no intention of moding my 1961 beauty but as I said, I found it intriguing and am curious as to the real world application and reliability of this mod.

 

[BBBBill]

That's the Safety Fast Shooting System, aka SFS. Imported/marketed by C&S for the High Power and 1911. It's been around for a while. I've never heard of any issues with reliability or durability.

http://www.cylinder-slide.com/SFScustommod.shtml

http://www.cylinder-slide.com/cond5.shtml

http://www.cylinder-slide.com/sfsarticle.shtml

 

[DT Guy]

It allows, for all intents and purposes, a condition 1 firearm to LOOK LIKE it's in condition 3 or 4. I don't believe anyone claims it is safer than condition 1; it's just to fool sheeple. For a duty weapon.....well, maybe. For a CCW, I don't see the reason for it; just more complexity to the same end result.


Larry

 

[ApacheCoTodd]

AHA... Thanks.

Nice to see the actual components on the links. Thanks BILL, I couldn't find anything on their site.

I see it's really all about appearance as you say DT... Considering, I'm a guy who happily removes excess parts like mag safeties - guess I'll pass on the novelty.


Sure is clever though.

 

[krs]

If you read through the article contained in BBBill's third link above it seems like there are a lot of advantages including pretty drastically improved safety.

It sounds interesting enough for me to maybe try one in a HP if C&S is still selling their kits, especially if it includes the cool little hammer to replace the big round job in my pistol.. (the article and link are kind of old, I think.)

 

[BBBBill]

http://www.cylinder-slide.com/index.php?app=ccp0&ns=catshow&ref=SFSkits

 

[Armor Snail]

Sooo, they turned into a DP51?

 

[BBBBill]

I think the SFS actually predated the Daewoo.

 

[ApacheCoTodd]

If you read through the article contained in BBBill's third link above it seems like there are a lot of advantages including pretty drastically improved safety.

I get that but I'm not really a drawn hammer, loaded chamber, safety engaged kinda guy.
Whatever that is: Condition 12, condition blu, donkey, fluffy bunny... I can never remember those condition designations.

 

[RustyShackelford]

FNH 9x19mm SFS....

In the mid 2000s, I saw a great new in box(NIB) FNH 9mm(9x19mm) Hi Power with the SFS feature.
It was about $900.00 USD.
Id buy it if I were right handed. It's safe, easy to carry & fast to deploy.
The after market C&S SFS part is cool. If I got a new .45acp I might add it but there's no rush.

 

[krs]

http://www.cylinder-slide.com/index.php?app=ccp0&ns=catshow&ref=SFSkits

Thanks Bill.
You know, I've bought several things from C&S, even bought a sear and a bushing for a Colt .380 Government model just last week and never noticed the link to this at about the bottom of his list.

So I just ordered the kit for 1911. I'll put it into my Colt New Agent and make it a safe and light carrying pistol.

As a southpaw there's a sometimes problem with carrying 1911s cocked and locked. Holsters for left side IWB don't protect the safety very well if at all and I think it's a problem I don't need.

Too bad he's not offering it for BHP without the ambi safety. I already have his ambi safety in my favorite old Belgian made used-to-be collector item and I'll have to think about spending more on it.

 

[ApacheCoTodd]

I hadn't even thought about it for a 1911.

I wonder though, does one have to use an ambidextrous safety with this conversion?

I don't want this to turn into a debate on the ambis - just curious if it's required for the kit.