Determining gun values

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At our shop we use the blue book and GB and find a happy medium. My friend owned a gun shop for 30 years and never had a problem with the blue book or it’s values. You have to start somewhere and the blue book is a good place to start but it is not the end all to be all.
 
Been collecting S&W's for years. I can keep up with those but not much else. I am a member of the S&W Collectors Assn and have access to their SALE site. Also check sales on the S&W Forum, and completed auctions on GB. I can also do a "What do you guys THINK this is worth" post on the Forum.

Did a gun show this weekend. My Buddy had a pre 64 M-70, in .358 Winchester. (Std rifle, NOT a Fwt) Uncatalogued, but original gun. What's it worth? LOL. Who knows. NOT listed in the Blue book. So it's worth what ever some on will pay. Went for $9500.

Rare, low production volume guns are very tough to value. You really need to stay up on what other collectors are paying or see sold in Auctions.
 
This is the best way to find a reasonable selling price. “The sold items” not the ones still for sale

Many of the guns for sale in GB are well overpriced compared to local or online stores. Example, I like CZ guns. Let locally a P-07 runs close to $500. I got one on GB for under $400 delivered
I noticed this myself yesterday. I looked at completed sales on a Savage 110 (one of my rifles)...most were like $200-300, BUT, there were dozens of ended auctions with unsold rifles with $500+ starting prices with no bids.
 
The Blue Book of Gun Values by S.P. Fjestad is the go to source.
This is what my uncle tells me. He makes his whole living buying and selling antique Winchester rifles.

But I think he's a dying breed, and I suspect (sadly) the Gun Blue Book might be as well. So many people (just read the comments here) reject the blue book's values that it may no longer be relevant. It's like the whole Bitcoin thing-it's only valuable if people accept it.
 
Regarding antiques, long out of production firearms, and rare subvariants, the Gun Blue Book is still useful. It is also useful on production, rarity, etc. and how to train someone on condition. On new and used recent AR-15's, Glocks, Remington 700's, etc, and other mass produced firearms and frequent traded, not so much--gun broker auctions are probably more useful as well as weird limited production models such as Keltec bullpups and so on. One thing on GB is that you have to ignore most of the reserve listings as those often set around for a long time with little or no action unless particularly desirable. The Buy it Now with nosebleed prices are similar ones to ignore.

Regarding investment potential, old out of production firearms will appreciate, especially in firing condition, as they are still usable tools. The general rule is buy low and sell high. However, most people have exaggerated ideas about rates of return. You are lucky to get an average 3 percent real return after inflation per year. But using the rule of 72, you can expect doubling of your investment in 24 years. You also grab classics when they appear at low prices--e.g. the S&W service revolvers going for about $200-250 a few years ago or Mosins at 75-100 but you have to act immediately on out of production firearms. Another example is more recent JM Marlin marked lever actions especially some of the used pistol calibers and trapper models have also climbed in price due to the Remlin issue.
 
What do you consider the authority on gun values? (Or, at least, what do you consider a dpenedable, accurate source for determining fun values?)

I went to a local gun show today-first one in many, many years. I didn't buy anything, however I noticed several guns that were similar or nearly identical to guns I already own (most were C&R eligible, some with different barrel lengths or calibers) with price tags on them. The prices surprised me. Perhaps I'm undervaluing my guns. (Not that they'll ever be for sale.)

I wonder if I shouldn't purchase a current copy of the Blue Book of Gun Values or the Standard Catalog of Gun Values.

I am a C&R licensed gun collector of sorts and as others have responded, it can be easy to value firearms (for modern guns) and very difficult for aged and antiques firearms. I used the Blue Book of Gun Values a lot, as well as a record of auction sales on Gunbroker and other auction sites. I do a lot research about each firearms to be able to substantiate the value I come up with. As one FFL dealer I know told me, he buys firearms using the Blue Book and sells firearms using Gunbroker's sales data. Then again, condition and originality mean everything in valuing firearms. It is both a science and an art.
 
The Fjestad book is the one I commonly see whipped out to show how little a gun I might have for sale or trade is worth. But as I said earlier, I have yet to have a dealer or gun show seller get out the Fjestad book to show why his guns are priced so high. And I've visited a lot of shops and attended a lot of gun shows over the years. So I know it's possible a dealer or seller could get out the Fjestad book to show me why his item is so valuable, or a space alien could land in my backyard one day. Neither has happened yet though, and I ain't gettin' any younger here;)

Reference online vs. LGS prices, I'm willing to pay an extra hundred or so over internet prices to buy locally. Like most, I'd prefer to physically inspect the gun I'm considering. Trouble is, local dealers are not usually within $100.00, or even $150.00, of the online price. The norm has been $200-$300+ more. Last year I happened across a new gun I was interested in a shop some distance away. Turned out to be a very well fitted and finished example. I did pay well over $100.00 more than the online price, and haven't regretted it. The gun has performed as well as my initial inspection suggested it would. In the months prior to that, a local shop quoted me prices of $200.00 and $300.00+ more than online on two other guns I was interested in. I could cite further examples. I would prefer to buy firearms and ammo locally, but it's getting financially tougher and tougher to do so............ymmv
 
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