Disney World Couple Lose Jobs Over Guns at Work:Probably Happy Crist to Sign Bill

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This couple worked for Disney for decades.Now they run a lunch truck.
Stay away from the "Mouse" and don't spend money there if you can.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/state/content/state/epaper/2008/04/09/0409xgrguns.html

Palm Beach Post Staff Writer

Wednesday, April 09, 2008

TALLAHASSEE — Nearly all workers, except teachers and those who make fireworks, would be able to bring their guns to work and leave them locked up in their vehicles under a bill Gov. Charlie Crist says he'll sign.

The Senate gave final approval to the bill on Wednesday.

Under the measure, employees would be required to have concealed weapons licenses to bring the guns to the workplace. But those records are secret under state law and employers would have no way of verifying the permits.

The bill, backed by the gun lobby, would also allow shoppers and diners to leave their weapons locked in their cars at malls, restaurants or other retail establishments. They, too, would be required to have a concealed weapons license.

"People being protected is most important to me," said Crist, who is a member of the National Rifle Association.

The bill does allow some businesses, including defense contractors or those that manufacture explosives, to bar guns on the premises.

While public schools are also excluded, critics object that the exemptions do not go far enough because workers would be allowed to carry weapons to day care centers.

"There is a right an employer has ... a property right to ensure that he is protecting his employees," said Sen. Ted Deutch, D-Boca Raton.

The Senate passed the House bill (HB 503) along party lines by a 26-13 vote.

Gun advocates, including National Rifle Association lobbyist Marion Hammer, believe that the U.S. Constitution guarantees workers the right to bring their weapons to work.

"This is simple. It's about a legal person that owns a legal firearm parked in a car that's legal locked up in a parking lot," said Sen. Durell Peaden, R-Crestview, the bill's sponsor.

Hammer, who previously served as the national NRA president, applauded the bill's passage.

"This bill provides employees with the mechanism to be able to protect themselves traveling to and from work. This bill doesn't do anything new," she said.

For the second year in a row, the bill catapulted the competing constitutional rights of gun owners and business owners to restrict what is on their property into the limelight.

Last year, lawmakers were poised to pass a similar measure when the massacre at Virginia Tech took place.

"It was April 16 of 2007 that we had the most tragic incident in this country related to guns on university campuses and this bill was moving at rapid speed last year. We're one week short of the anniversary of that tragedy and here we are again. We had the good sense to stop it last year because it was not the right thing to do," said Sen. Arthenia Joyner, D-Tampa.

The NRA backs the proposal because of employers like Walt Disney World who searched workers' cars and fired them for violating company policy prohibiting weapons in parking lots.

Decade-long Disney employees Doug and Linda Gray had the front window to their home shot out twice, once nearly missing Linda Gray's head and were also the victims of a 7-mile road-rage attack en route home from work, they said.

They said they did what law enforcement officers advised them to do: They purchased a revolver and kept it locked beneath the seat of the car during the hourlong journey from their home in Poinsiana to Kissimmee that began each workday at 4:15 a.m.

The .38-caliber Smith & Wesson might have made the Grays feel safer, but it cost them the jobs they held at the theme park, where they met and vacationed with their five grandchildren.

The Grays are now banned from Disney property and own a lunch truck.

Alaska, Kansas, Kentucky and Minnesota have approved laws allowing employees to take their guns to work, but an Oklahoma judge struck down a similar law saying it violated federal employment laws.

The Florida law, should Crist sign it, is different because it includes the concealed weapons license provision unlike the other states,' but opponents have threatened to sue nonetheless.

"Does that surprise anybody? You know if there are things that usually get put into law that some other group doesn't like they usually go to the courts and they have that right. I'll probably sign it," Crist said.
 
The bill does allow some businesses, including defense contractors or those that manufacture explosives, to bar guns on the premises.

So does anyone else find it funny that they are barring guns where they MAKE EXPLOSIVES?

Who needs a gun when you can blow people up?

HOW STUPID ARE POLITICIANS?
 
HOW STUPID ARE POLITICIANS?

So true!!!!!even though this is the most rhetorical question ever asked on THR.
Thank you,MakAttak and I repeat:please avoid Disney and all its hypocrital OPS like the plague.
They are the total anti-thesis of not just the 2A but the entire BOR.
An evil ORG if ever there was one starting with "benevolent founder" Walt Disney.
Read 'Hollywood's Dark Prince' by Mark Eliot:
http://www.theedge.abelgratis.co.uk/booksfilm/waltdisneyhollywoodsdarkprince.htm
 
I don't find it funny that explosives manufacturers should be able to ban firearms from their property. This one seems to me a reasonable precaution against accidentally or negligently igniting an explosion. I also wouldn't object to them banning smoking or lighting matches on their property.
 
I don't get it. Why is this bill being extended to shoppers and restaurant patrons?... and why do people need a CCW to have a gun in their car?

I thought the current Florida law was that you can have a gun in your car glove compartment wherever - so long as it's not a prohibited place, no permit required.

I need to read the text of this. From what I'm seeing in the news, this could in effect give people the ability to bar guns in cars without a ccw... whereas right now it's legal.
 
I thought the current Florida law was that you can have a gun in your car glove compartment wherever - so long as it's not a prohibited place, no permit required.

Cheese, that is correct. It is currently legal to keep a gun in your car, but you can be fired for it. What this bill does is make it illegal for an employer or property owner to fire you or expel you from the property for keeping a gun locked in your car (as long as your have the CWL).
 
It does more than that because an employer can't know if you have a concealed weapons license or not, that information is no longer public in Florida. So it actually accomplishes most of what it sets out to do.

The funny thing about the explosives factory exemption, etc. is that employees can still legally bring their guns to work and lock them in their cars they just won't be protected from being fired.

The sad fact is that Florida is a very strict right to work (or fire at will to be more correct) and employers in this state have very wide latitude in firing their employees. So this law won't do much it's more of a moral victory.

Next law to address, CHANGING what constitutes brandishing in Florida currently even an accidental glimpse or printing can count as brandishing.
 
I guess the problem I have here is what are employers doing searching employees cars? What right do they have to do that and that jackhole middle manager thought it was a good idea to let their employees know how little they are trusted?
 
I just wonder how these two ex-employees of dizzney got "caught". Shooting off their mouths about the gun? If my employer asked to search my car I would just tell the to kiss off. Worst that would happen is be fired for insubordination, not for having a weapon (better on the resume and easier to collect unemployment in that situation also).
 
Cheese, that is correct. It is currently legal to keep a gun in your car, but you can be fired for it. What this bill does is make it illegal for an employer or property owner to fire you or expel you from the property for keeping a gun locked in your car (as long as your have the CWL).

Employees are one thing. I agree this will help them in theory.

I'm curious as to the other parties this covers.

A business cannot expel you for having a gun in your car if you have a ccw... but I'm sure they can still find a reason to tell you to leave, even if the real reason is the aforementioned gun in car. Failure to do so, would still be armed trespassing.... which is no different than before.

I still need to read the bill, so I might be ranting about nothing here. With my limited knowledge of the bill's text though, I'm wondering what it accomplishes for people other than employees of a business.

and going back to the original article, how will this bill actually affect anything related to it?

I'm sure businesses will still fire employees for having a gun in their car. They'll assume the employee won't have the means or desire to take it to court.

Sorry if I'm totally off base here.... and of course there is little chance that anybody would find out about a gun in the car anyways, so much of this is just playing the "what if" game.
 
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