Standing Wolf
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Sounds like a sweat shop to me.
Do not call putting people out of work
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Sounds like a sweat shop to me.
No4Mk1*
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Now they can become productive members of society.
IRS and accounting jobs would be lost if out taxation system was simplified but the country would lose no net productivity, just gain efficiency. These individuals could then find a job that is productive and actually helpful to others.
IRS and accounting jobs would be lost if out taxation system was simplified but the country would lose no net productivity, just gain efficiency. These individuals could then find a job that is productive and actually helpful to others.
swifter
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I'm not in the least sympathetic. 
k 'em. Had a few of the jerks get insolent. Now have electronic watchdog that refuses blocked calls.
There's plenty of hamburger joints & car washes out there, maybe some of those losers will upgrade their employment and do something useful.
Or starve... For some, that might be the most useful thing they could do.
Miserable sacks of anyway.
Don't ask me for time: I can't replace it - not a second...
Tom
k 'em. Had a few of the jerks get insolent. Now have electronic watchdog that refuses blocked calls. There's plenty of hamburger joints & car washes out there, maybe some of those losers will upgrade their employment and do something useful.
Or starve... For some, that might be the most useful thing they could do.
Miserable sacks of
anyway. Don't ask me for time: I can't replace it - not a second...
Tom
XLMiguel
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Why is it so hard for the marketing morons to grasp that those who opt out are not a good use of your selling time? They don't want to hear from you, ain't gonna buy from you, are going to be rude/abusive to you, are going to waste your time. Why do you think it's appropriate to bother and annoy people who aren't going to buy from you?
re: Gov't involvement - It is appropriate for the people to seek redress from the .gov for wrongful things (like being bothered needlesssly).
"Do not call" should be embraced as the "telemarketing productivity act", and those who fall out shoud be seeking useful employment that actually produces a real value add to the economy under any circumstance.
re: Gov't involvement - It is appropriate for the people to seek redress from the .gov for wrongful things (like being bothered needlesssly).
"Do not call" should be embraced as the "telemarketing productivity act", and those who fall out shoud be seeking useful employment that actually produces a real value add to the economy under any circumstance.
C.R.Sam
Moderator Emeritus
Should be a boon for the marketers.
Less calls to folks like me who really resent the intrusion.
Higher percentage of calls to potential customers.
Sam
Less calls to folks like me who really resent the intrusion.
Higher percentage of calls to potential customers.
Sam
Tamara
Senior Member
When did the WJB populists take over the GOP?
"America will not be crucified on a cross of a lack of annoying phone calls!"
"America will not be crucified on a cross of a lack of annoying phone calls!"
Mike Irwin
Member
"When did the WJB populists take over the GOP?
"America will not be crucified on a cross of a lack of annoying phone calls!"
Now there's an historical reference you don't see every day!
"America will not be crucified on a cross of a lack of annoying phone calls!"
Now there's an historical reference you don't see every day!
Mike Irwin
Member
You know, I don't recall ever hearing that I have the DUTY to provide someone with a job that allows them to annoy me at their discretion.
The telemarketing industry brought this on themselves
The telemarketing industry brought this on themselves
Oleg Volk
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Why, please tell.
IIRC, The Wizard of Oz was written as an allegory/satire about the Gold Standard, which WJ Bryan opposed ("crucify mankind on a cross of gold").
Some character representations I found:
The scarecrow was the dimwitted farmer.
The tin man of the mechanical industrial worker.
The lion was William Jennings Bryant's version of blowhard populism.
The Wizard was the Wall Street manipulators.
more detail:
http://www.u.arizona.edu/~marcum/wizard1.htm
Some character representations I found:
The scarecrow was the dimwitted farmer.
The tin man of the mechanical industrial worker.
The lion was William Jennings Bryant's version of blowhard populism.
The Wizard was the Wall Street manipulators.
more detail:
http://www.u.arizona.edu/~marcum/wizard1.htm
Moparmike
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As an ex-telemarketer (way back in the day in high school, 2.5 years ago), I have this to say: Waaahh. Cry me a friggin river.
I went to telemarketing because it was a get-hired-immedeatly job that supplimented the income my other employer stiffed me out of after surgery. It was low pay, low satisfaction, no-joy kind of job that I celebrated my departure of. Hell, some of you may have recieved my Discover Card sponsored calls .
I went to telemarketing because it was a get-hired-immedeatly job that supplimented the income my other employer stiffed me out of after surgery. It was low pay, low satisfaction, no-joy kind of job that I celebrated my departure of. Hell, some of you may have recieved my Discover Card sponsored calls
.Byron Quick
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I politely tell them that I work at night in an ER and that they have not only stolen my time but my sleep. Then I politely offer to call them back at 2AM on my nickel at their home and give them the opportunity to make the sale during my waking hours. More than equitable and fair, no? Isn't it peculiar that not one of these hard working folk have been willing to take me up on my offer?
I've had folk call back up within thirty minutes after having this conversation with me.
I'll pick up aluminum scrap on the highway shoulders before I do such "work."
I've had folk call back up within thirty minutes after having this conversation with me.
I'll pick up aluminum scrap on the highway shoulders before I do such "work."
I've been wondering if the telemarketing industry has been keeping an unofficial "do not call" list for years. I noticed a remarkable reduction in TM calls, like, down to almost ZERO, after I educated myself about the laws and started making life miserable for them when they called.
Asking for their full REAL name, and quoting the statute that says they have to give it to you, is a great way to wreck their day. Then when you ask for their supervisor's name, and then talk to the supervisor, and lay some other legal trips on them, they seem to get the message.
But you can't do that to EVERY company out there, so it makes me think they have an unofficial blacklist for people like me. Oh, dear, my feelings are hurt!
http://www.privacyrights.org/fs/fs5-tmkt.htm#part12
http://www.junkbusters.com/telemarketing.html
Asking for their full REAL name, and quoting the statute that says they have to give it to you, is a great way to wreck their day. Then when you ask for their supervisor's name, and then talk to the supervisor, and lay some other legal trips on them, they seem to get the message.
But you can't do that to EVERY company out there, so it makes me think they have an unofficial blacklist for people like me. Oh, dear, my feelings are hurt!
http://www.privacyrights.org/fs/fs5-tmkt.htm#part12
http://www.junkbusters.com/telemarketing.html
ARperson
Member
Whether or not you think this is a good thing, the bottom line is that there's no jurisdiction for the FEDERAL government to do this. That's my biggest beef. Several states have already implemented Do Not Call lists successfully. And that's as it should be: left to the states to decide. Show me where in the Constitution it says the federal goverment should do this.
Okay, there is a lot of symbolism in Wiz of Oz, to say the least, and I am by no means an expert, but here goes with a few. An internet search could almost certainly pull up more/different answers.
Kansas = Great Plains (dry and dreary-remember, the first of the movie is not really Black and White, more of a brownish haze covering everything.)
Dorothy = your everyman (something always in the way of their dreams)
Scarecrow = Farmers (intellectually challenged)
Tinman = Factory workers (they can't get him going without oil)
Lion = WJ Bryan (seems strong, but actually a coward)
Wicked Witch of East = Eastern Industrialists/Bankers
Wicked Witch of West = Railroads
Flying Monkeys = Plains Indians (just listen to them as they fly off)
Oz = Eastern US
Emerald City = D.C.
Wizard = William McKinley
Yellow Brick Road (Gold Standard)
Silver Shoes (unlimited coinage of silver- on the Populist Platform) The shoes are not ruby in the book.
Munchkins = maltreated Eastern workers, possibly child labor (remember how happy they are when the witch is dead?)
Who knows? I don't think the author (Baum) actually ever said, but I guess if you look hard enough, you can find something in nothing.
But it's fun to think about,
Stinger
Kansas = Great Plains (dry and dreary-remember, the first of the movie is not really Black and White, more of a brownish haze covering everything.)
Dorothy = your everyman (something always in the way of their dreams)
Scarecrow = Farmers (intellectually challenged)
Tinman = Factory workers (they can't get him going without oil)
Lion = WJ Bryan (seems strong, but actually a coward)
Wicked Witch of East = Eastern Industrialists/Bankers
Wicked Witch of West = Railroads
Flying Monkeys = Plains Indians (just listen to them as they fly off)
Oz = Eastern US
Emerald City = D.C.
Wizard = William McKinley
Yellow Brick Road (Gold Standard)
Silver Shoes (unlimited coinage of silver- on the Populist Platform) The shoes are not ruby in the book.
Munchkins = maltreated Eastern workers, possibly child labor (remember how happy they are when the witch is dead?)
Who knows? I don't think the author (Baum) actually ever said, but I guess if you look hard enough, you can find something in nothing.
But it's fun to think about,
Stinger
Mike Irwin
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"Show me where in the Constitution it says the federal goverment should do this."
United States Constitution, Section 8, Clause 3, also loosely known as the "Foreign and Interstate Commerce Clause."
United States Constitution, Section 8, Clause 3, also loosely known as the "Foreign and Interstate Commerce Clause."
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