Does a muzzleloader need to be shipped to a FFL?

[dbrown]

I am really interested into muzzle loaders.

 

[beeenbag]

Nope, ship it right to your door. My experiences are Ky based of course, it could be different in your state.

 

[robhof]

robhof

There are a lot of ATF shy dealers that will only ship to FFL's even here in Ky. There are a few states like IL., NY, and questionably Cal, that have such confusing state regs that most dealers will require an FFL for those states.

 

[dbrown]

There are a lot of ATF shy dealers that will only ship to FFL's even here in Ky. There are a few states like IL., NY, and questionably Cal, that have such confusing state regs that most dealers will require an FFL for those states.

Well i'm from Illinois.

 

[KenHulme]

If you're from IL, then ask the sender if they'll ship directly to you, since you know that shipping to an FFL is not required for blackpowder weapons.

 

[drsfmd]

Actually, the correct answer is "it depends". Any muzzleloader that can receive a cartridge barrel (think TC's, and those Mossberg 500's sold with an inline barrel) needs to be 4473'ed just like a regular firearms.

 

[junkman_01]

Actually, the correct answer is "it depends". Any muzzleloader that can receive a cartridge barrel (think TC's, and those Mossberg 500's sold with an inline barrel) needs to be 4473'ed just like a regular firearms.

Please supply a reference to back up your statement.

 

[CraigC]

It's true, you can't just order an Encore and it be delivered to your door without doing a 4473 just because it happens to have a .50cal blackpowder barrel on it.

 

[drsfmd]

Please supply a reference to back up your statement.

Why would you even question this?

http://randywakeman.com/Thompson_Encore_209x50_Magnum_Muzzleloader_Still_the_Mercedes.htm

 

[junkman_01]

Because I question everything I read on these forums.

I believe I found the the reference I was looking for from the GCA 68....

§ 921 Definitions

Antique Firearm
(C) any muzzle loading rifle, muzzle
loading shotgun, or muzzle loading
pistol, which is designed to use
black powder, or a black powder
substitute, and which cannot use
fixed ammunition. For purposes of
this subparagraph, the term "antique
firearm" shall not include any weapon
which incorporates a firearm frame or
receiver, any firearm which is converted
into a muzzle loading weapon,
or any muzzle loading weapon which
can be readily converted to fire fixed
ammunition by replacing the barrel,
bolt, breechblock, or any combination
thereof.

 

[Swing]

In addition to what JunkMan provided, there is some material related to the muzzleloaders that also can use cartridges here. Also, there was a court ruling (Modern Muzzleloading, Inc. v. Magaw) in which some modern in-line muzzleloaders (those using shotgun primers) were held to be a "firearm" under the GCA.

 

[dbrown]

Well im just looking to get a musket.

 

[Swing]

If it uses matchlock, flintlock, or percussion caps for for ignition and is not capable of discharging cartridges, you should be good to go then. Note a handful of states do regard them as firearms, so be aware of local restrictions.

 

[arcticap]

The 2nd generation H&R Huntsman and the NEF Sidekick are both nearly identical break action muzzle loaders that were made by the same company. However because the Huntsman was built using a registered receiver, it's considered to be a firearm and interstate transfer requires an FFL.
But the NEF Sidekick doesn't since it doesn't have a firearms receiver and won't accept accessory barrels like the Huntsman.
Now the Huntsman has been discontinued.

 

[andrewstorm]

http://http://www.mcrgo.org/mcrgo/view/news.asp?articleid=119&zoneid=100

 

[arcticap]

Cabela's won't ship a black powder gun to Illinois without first providing a copy of an Illinois FOID card and Driver's License.
And they won't ship guns to Chicago.

Illinois Resident Instructions for ordering Black Powder Rifle, Pistol, or Pellet Guns with a bore diameter which are capable of shooting over 700 feet per second (regardless of caliber) or Ammunition: A legible copy of your Illinois Firearm Owner's Identification (FOID) card, along with a current Illinois Driver’s License or an Illinois State ID must be on file with Cabela's Catalog, Inc. This copy must be on file with Cabela's Catalog Inc. before your order can be processed.*

Any gun that shoots OVER 700 feet per second regardless of caliber will be restricted and require a FOID and current I.D.

No restricted items can be shipped into the city of Chicago.

https://cabelas.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/312

 

[dbrown]

Cabela's won't ship a black powder gun to Illinois without first providing a copy of an Illinois FOID card and Driver's License.

https://cabelas.custhelp.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/312

Which i have both of.

 

[Shinbone]

Bought my 1858 Remington a couple years ago & went through the same process as buying any other handgun here in Ill.

 

[hawkeye74]

There are certain states that treat all antique guns as modern firearms. Illinois is one of those.

There will be no requirement of a FEDERAL check but the state rules will require you to go through a licensed dealer.

This from an Illinois friend who ships antique weapons often.

 

[whosyrdaddy]

Originally posted by Swing.

If it uses matchlock, flintlock, or percussion caps for for ignition and is not capable of discharging cartridges, you should be good to go then.

Why would you even post this drivel? Did you bother to read the information in the first link that you posted? It very clearly explains why the second link you posted is now irrelevant.

From your first link

Several
years ago ATF determined that an in-line muzzle
loading rifle using #209 shotgun primers for
ignition was not an antique firearm and was subject
to all provisions of the Gun Control Act (GCA).
However, the GCA was amended in 1998 and
many in-line muzzle loading rifles are now antique
firearms and are excluded from the provisions of
the GCA.

and

Many modern in-line muzzle loaders including those
that use #209 shotgun primers for ignition now meet
the definition of “antique firearm” and are excluded
from the provisions of the GCA.

Your implication that muzzle loaders using primers are treated differently than those using cap, match, or flint by the GCA is incorrect and serves no useful purpose to those who come here seeking help.