Does an M14 really "turn cover into concealment" Part 4: Log

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Another installment in the thrilling saga of service rifle FMJ penetration. In this episode, we will look at M80 ball fired from a 22" barreled Springfield M1A versus M855 ball fired from a 16" barreled AR pattern rifle, both against a 10" diameter log. You know the drill. Place yer bets.





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I would venture there are many things which provide cover against the 5.56 and only concealment for the 7.62 NATO round. Bigger round with more energy. The laws of physics makes the rules on that.

I noted the first attempt with the M1A in the video was a misfire. I wonder what ammo he was shooting when that happened?

My Springfield M1A will misfire with Tula steel cases ammo. When I take the same rounds and load them into my son's PTR-91 (H&K G-3/91 clone), it will run it all day.

Also, since we're You-Tubin' it, below is a video showing a M1A not liking the mud... I'm a fan of the design, but it has limitations.

https://youtu.be/z0-3OQsnR-w

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...it doesn't care for sand/dust, either (or for metal shavings, in my case :p)

Also, I thought just about any rifle round heavier than 100gr will get through a 'standard log' in test :confused:. That log looks fairly gnarly (and twisted) which may have something to do with it. You're a brave man shooting into something so inconsistent (richochets/deflections aren't uncommon when shooting into hardwood)

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To be honest that surprised me. I have shot at targets posted to live trees to site in before and 308 blew through when 3030, 7.62x39 and 223 did not.
 
I appreciate these tests chopinbloc. If you ever get around to it, I'd be curious to see how they perform against sandbags since that is a relatively standard material for fortifying field positions, at least in the past (not sure if sandbags still get a lot of use compared to WWII, Vietnam, etc).
 
10 inches isn't that big of a tree. I've shot a bunch of trees in Ft Benning with my SAW and the smaller ones wouldn't stop the M855. So I'm gonna guess both make it through.
 
I once watched a WWII training vid showing the nearly identical m2 ball going through a 10-12 inch standing oak tree and then through a german helmet.
 
An M-80 ball round will deliver much less penetration at close range than it will at longer range, say, past fifty or seventy-five yards. It takes that long for that 147 gr. bullet to settle down and fly point first, without the boat-tail end dancing around. This is common with any bullet fired through a barrel with too fast a twist for that bullet weight. The same thing happens with M-193 55 gr. bullets fired in a 1/9 or a 1/7 twist. To a lesser extent, same thing with the 62gr M855 bullet in a 1/7 twist M-16A2. Back that log off to 100 yards and I would be surprised if BOTH rounds didn't zip right through.

Thing is, however, the M-80 would probably zip right through a SECOND 10" log at that range, with enough force to kill. The M-855 would be stuck in the second log.

I have shot an awful lot of trees in my time, with both calibers at short and long range. The 30 caliber is vastly superior. The 198gr 7.92 mm Mauser round will out penetrate either and the greatest penetration I have ever seen in wood was by the 7mm Mauser with the old 175 gr metal cased bullet. I couldn't fine a tree big enough to stop it, at any range.
 
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