Double Rifles

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Anyone else out there own & shoot double rifles? Either antique or modern?
I have a nice little c.1890s German-made 12.3mm double that I've done some range work with. Would be interested in hearing other people's experiences, particularly when it comes to load development for lesser known calibers.
 
I have a Cogswell & Harrison in .375 Nitro Express (rimmed 2.5" case) that was made in 1910. I bought it in the late 1970s.

Brass is a real problem. I can use 30-40 Krag blown out but they are shorter than the original so case capacity is reduced. Tried some BELL brass years ago but it didn't work well at all. Badly sized and most wouldn't chamber.

I've managed to create a few proper cases but they are stretched and I worry about how strong they are. I can get 235 Speers up to around 2,400 FPS but I worry about the integrity of the cases.


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If I ever get rich enough that Ferraris and Lamborghinis no longer appeal to me, I will buy a 600 Nitro Express double rifle and a few shells.:rolleyes:

Until then, I shoot a few single rifles now and then. I have a Ruger #1 in 375 H&H that is a tackdriver, and a few T/C carbines, 17 remington, 204 Ruger.

I love reading about them though, and I knew a couple of Professional Hunters in South Africa that had some nice ones. So nice I decided to stay far, far away from them before they tempt me, and I have to live on Raamen noodles..

Peter Capstick wrote a couple of really good books about hunting in Africa and India with double rifles.
 
I have a Cogswell & Harrison in .375 Nitro Express (rimmed 2.5" case) that was made in 1910. I bought it in the late 1970s.

Brass is a real problem. I can use 30-40 Krag blown out but they are shorter than the original so case capacity is reduced. Tried some BELL brass years ago but it didn't work well at all. Badly sized and most wouldn't chamber.

I've managed to create a few proper cases but they are stretched and I worry about how strong they are. I can get 235 Speers up to around 2,400 FPS but I worry about the integrity of the cases.

Bertram brass is available but I have heard unkind things about their quality.

CotW says you can make it out of .405 Winchester brass which is now being made by Hornady.

Do 235s at 2400 regulate? The factory load was a 270 at 2000.
 
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Hi SaxonPig, Nice looking .375. I too have some Bell cases for my 12.3mm, they are .43 Mauser Basic Brass & they have been ok, but they are very inconsistent weight-wise. They are not recent production, as they came with the rifle when I bought it over 20 years ago. I noticed Buffalo Arms, in Idaho stock .375 Flanged (2.5") made by Bertram Brass ($63/20), have you tried those?
 
Photos of my double.

Well here are some photos of my double. As mentioned above it is German hammer rifle (actually made in Saxony) circa. 1890s. Although I have owned it off & on (long story!) for over 20 years, I really don't know a great deal about it. It was made by a C. Grundig, of Dresden, I believe his first name was Carl, but have no other information as yet. I have been unable to find any reference to the caliber it is chambered for either, but gave it a name after I made chamber casts to have some reloading dies made a few years back. From the dimensions taken from the casts I called it a 12.3x62mmR.
The rifle is 43" long with 27" barrels, & weighs 6.25lbs dripping wet! It is profusely engraved in typical German fashion, with a variety of European game animals; Stag, Boar, deer, etc. It has an underlever, that is made of buffalo(?) horn, below the forearm, which pivots to the right to open the action (LeFacheaux Action?). The buttplate also appears to be horn & is carved with a scene depiction of the goddess Diana. It has a standing sight marked 100 with a flip-up leaf marked 200, there is also a folding sight inletted into the top tang. Both triggers are single-sets.
There is no clue as to the load used anywhere on the rifle, but due to it's age & an absence of nitro proofmarks it was obviously made for black powder or, at best, a transitional black/smokeless period gun. The rifling is very similar to that of the Henry-style. I had a mould made for it that throws a 425gn bullet. The bullet is .478" in diameter & then I paper patch it up to .488". Some BELL cases came with the rifle, they were .43 Mauser Basic & just needed to be trimmed to the 62mm length. They are of the Mauser 'A' base configuration....neat looking round. As mentioned above, I had some reloading dies made for it by CH-4D, it is a standard 3-die set, with the addition of a file-trim die.....they did a great job & the price was quite reasonable. Most of my shooting has been done at 50yds, on the ISSF 25m slow-fire pistol target (B-19). I have tried black powder (Goex & Kik) with moderate success, but have been very happy with the results I got when using Ross Seyfried's nitro for black formula. Firing from a rest I get sub 2" four shot (2x left, 2x right) groups pretty darn close to point of aim. I now have a couple of grades of Swiss black powder that I'll try out when my shooting schedule allows, it is a bit faster burning than the others & is apparently very similar to some of the 19th century powders in it's burning characteristics.
In the photo of the ammo it shows an empty case, one of my paper-patched bullets, a loaded 12.3x62mmR round, & a .45/70 Govt. for comparison sake.

I'd enjoy hearing from any of you who have some experience with loading black powder in these things, also any general topics regarding the history & shooting of doubles.

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Here's a few more photos: A typical 50yd group, the CH-4D die set I had made, & the barrel rib showing makers name & location.

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