Evacuation - what do you do with your guns?

[Catherine]

The NRA and other websites have films and stories of police and other 'people' confiscating guns in the Katrina situation. It would not be the FIRST time that this happened here in the USA. They were not only gangs or thugs who did these 'acts'. They were THUGS of another kind... ones who claimed it was the 'law'. UGH! Bad policemen and bad military people following ORDERS. Blackwater and other ones brought in from other states too! Good ones (Peace officers and military people.) would not have followed those !@#$ 'orders! NOT too many military and police would follow the Constitution in my opinion and they would 'follow orders' from above for fear of losing their JOBS, bennies, retirement and even worse for disobeying an ORDER especially for a military man/woman.

People walking, people in their vehicles and even gun owners in their own BOATS trying to leave areas and HELP OTHER people in their own areas had THUGS aka HIRED HELP, paid with their own tax dollars, were told to turn over their own guns! Honest people got screwed again... go figure. Go to the the NRA site and check out the law abiding men/women in boats and elsewhere who had guns POINTED at them and they were told to turn them over. Amerika?!?

It was not only the one little old lady in her OWN home where the BIG THUGS asked to see her gun and then tackled her to the FLOOR because she wanted to stay in her own home which was well supplied. I think that she had her dog with her too. BIG brave men knocking her down and dragging her out, eh? NOT!

I posted that here or elsewhere some time back.

By the way, road blocks do EXIST before, during and AFTER weather or other incidents.

Like, uh... martial law and other things in this Republic... UGH.

There are good and bad in ALL people and in ALL professions.

Catherine

Don't blame some of us... we were for candidates who gave a ____! Lesser of the evils is still EVIL.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/08/15/AR2008081503497_pf.html

U.S. May Ease Police Spy Rules
More Federal Intelligence Changes Planned

By Spencer S. Hsu and Carrie Johnson
Washington Post Staff Writers
Saturday, August 16, 2008; A01

The Justice Department has proposed a new domestic spying measure that would make it easier for state and local police to collect intelligence about Americans, share the sensitive data with federal agencies and retain it for at least 10 years.

The proposed changes would revise the federal government's rules for police intelligence-gathering for the first time since 1993 and would apply to any of the nation's 18,000 state and local police agencies that receive roughly $1.6 billion each year in federal grants.

Quietly unveiled late last month, the proposal is part of a flurry of domestic intelligence changes issued and planned by the Bush administration in its waning months. They include a recent executive order that guides the reorganization of federal spy agencies and a pending Justice Department overhaul of FBI procedures for gathering intelligence and investigating terrorism cases within U.S. borders.

Taken together, critics in Congress and elsewhere say, the moves are intended to lock in policies for Bush's successor and to enshrine controversial post-Sept. 11 approaches that some say have fed the greatest expansion of executive authority since the Watergate era.
Etc.

 

[Catherine]

PS:

NRA films of Katrina gun confiscation.

Google and all over the internet.

Untold stories...

http://www.nra.org/

http://www.gunowners.org/

http://www.jpfo.org/

 

[Titan6]

My father lives in coastal Florida. He has a motorhome that he keeps packed during the season. Any time it looks like something is headed his way he puts anything he wants to keep in it and rolls out. A motorhome can carry quite a lot, is more secure than a car and is normally considered a dwelling by the police so firearm rules may be different depending upon the state.

It also has quite a lot of range, carries with you most of the basic services for a few days without servicing and you can live out of it much more comfortably than in most other situations where you would evacuate.

Of course feeding the thing with gas prices being what they are is another story....

 

[Zip7]

Why would they block the road leading out of town during an evacuation? Don't they block the road going back INTO the disaster area?

They'd like you to think so.

I live in one of the farthest flung suburbs of NO. During Katrina, we left the night before it hit and went inland about 250m. I didn't take all my guns, but flooding is not a concern where I live, and frankly any roving bands of thugs woulld be quickly put down by good citizens.

Of course, we saw the TV footage of the storm coming in and all. My son and I came home the day after the storm hit. We brought chainsaws gas, everything we'd need. The only gun I brought back was a 357 handgun in the console of my truck, and I never touched it once or even thought about it. The only thing I worried about was the police, frankly. There was one radio station broadcasting out of NO, and they would give periodic updates about the surrounding parishes, and the only time they mentioned my parish it was to say that if you had evacuated, don't come back. You will not be allowed to enter the parish. You will be arrested if you try it.

My son got worried that we would be arrested, and kept asking me about it. I told him that we live there, and pay taxes there, so we were dang sure going there, and if they arrested us, at least we would have a place to sleep and probably lots of company.

Of course, we didn't get arrested. We cleared a couple of side roads to get to our house, and went to work on our property. Never saw any representative of the government come down my street. Did see quite a few utility company people, though...

We helped the church up the street unload supplies every single day. Churches from out of state had sent many people with TRUCKLOADS of food and water to the church by my house, and they were taking people in from St. Bernard parish, where most homes had been destroyed. That single church I guarantee helped more people in need than Fema did in my area. Church people from out of state were showing up with help literally 8 hours after the storm hit. Nobody asked them, they just loaded up a gooseneck full of stuff and headed this way.

I saw a convoy of Pike Electric trucks arrive from out of state, and quite a few people in my town were on the sides of the road cheering for them as they rolled in.

The point I'm trying to make is that while you don't want a hurricane to come to your neighborhood, if one does, it doesn't mean people are going to be out to kill you and rob you. We live our lives pretty much insulated from harsh reality most of the time. Katrina blew away the insulation and we had to deal with that harsh reality daily for a good while. No internet, no TV, no games, only work. People spent much of their time outside, either working, or helping others work. In our neighborhood, the church became the hub of the whole area. People from the church helped us clear trees, and we helped them unload supplies and patch up as needed. We took extra clothes from our house and gave them to people who had lost everything.

While it was a giant and costly PITA, I am very happy that my 13 year old son had to live through it. He missed a month of school, but learned more than he would have in years of schooling.

When society breaks down temporarily, most people will step up and keep it going on their own. Most people are not anarchists just waiting for a chance to go on a crime spree. This may not have been obvious before Katrina, but in the time after it, it became clear to us that out little corner of the world is filled with far more good people than bad, and I wouldn't trade the experience for anything in the world.